Supply and Demand


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:32:10 AM EST

Coming hot on the heels of the report showing how the city treasurer is completely incompetent and unable to produce the most basic financial reporting, this is a real treat.
"It is somewhat of a supply-and-demand issue," Leistensnider added, acknowledging concerns that if the city were to raise tipping fees the private haulers and municipalities might take their business elsewhere.

All revenue from the landfill, Leistensnider noted, goes to the city.

Councilman James Sano, chairman of the council Finance Committee, said bonding has "always been the way it was planned," and he questioned what would happen if higher tipping fees drove customers away.

"Then how are you supposed to fund it?" he said.
(first off, you might notice this bit from your local reporter that seems like editorialization: "acknowledging concerns that if the city were to raise tipping fees the private haulers and municipalities might take their business elsewhere." Really. Who is concerned about that?)

Ah, Mr. Sano, our local financial guru. Mr. "we did our due diligence on this city budget" even though we didn't address the big old $20 million deficit. If nothing else, Mr. Sano does provide a valuable service. He is willing to go public with some of the most math challenged and financially illiterate statements ever which help us highlight these issues. And he gets help from Ruth Leistensnider (if that is her real name). And, of course, our math challenged and unquestioning media.

Let's do a little background first. This might help Sano and Leistensnider understand "supply and demand"
Last week, the mayor defended his agreement to cut Allied's tipping fee from $46 a ton to $38, a 17 percent reduction. The two-year pact came after the company - the nation's second-largest hauler - threatened to load its garbage onto trains bound for an Allied-owned megadump in South Carolina.

"Those guys held us hostage," the mayor said. "If we don't have the $6 million a year that we get from Allied, I have to lay off workers. It would impact the city's budget dramatically. This was a short-term step to maintain liquidity."

Jennings does not need Common Council approval to set dumping fees, or for any other city contract.

Allied dumping shot up after the price break, from 85,000 tons in 2004 to 140,000 tons last year, the equivalent of 11,000 garbage trucks.

The Times Union conducted a computerized analysis of a quarter-million dump bills dating to 2001.

With headquarters in Scottsdale, Ariz., and annual revenues of $14 billion, Allied operates dumps and transfer stations in 37 states. Garbage hauled to Albany by the company now accounts for almost half of the $13 million in fees earned annually by the city.

This year, Allied is on pace to dump 175,000 tons, which would account for more than half of all incoming garbage.

"It is like we are running the landfill for the benefit of Allied," said 2nd Ward Common Council member Dominick Calsolaro. "I am amazed this kind of deal was done more than a year ago, when they were out there yelling that we were running out of landfill space and it was an emergency, and we had to expand into the Pine Bush.

"Instead, we should be extending the life of the landfill by taking less garbage. That would be a benefit to the citizens of Albany, who wouldn't have to pay for a new landfill so soon."

Jennings' proposed budget includes $9 million to expand the landfill in 2008.

Neither Calsolaro nor 12th Ward Council member Michael O'Brien, chairman of the General Services Committee that oversees the dump, knew about the Allied deal before being informed of it by the Times Union.

In response to a question from O'Brien during a budget presentation to the council on Monday, General Services Commissioner Bill Bruce said the city was charging commercial haulers "in the $60s."

In a subsequent interview with the Times Union, Bruce said he included a line on the Allied rate in a spreadsheet about Rapp Road finances that he had provided to city lawmakers in June.

On Wednesday, the mayor backed his commissioner. "It's not my fault that they didn't read it after they asked for it," Jennings said with a shrug
Please read this slowly. You see how when you drop the rates to below market value people dump a whole lot more garbage in your landfill? You see how Allied responded when we gave them this below market deal? So, if, as the DEC recommends, we raise their tipping fees $10 a ton so that they pay for the dump expansion instead of the taxpayers of Albany, what would happen?

Sano? Sano? Sano? Ok, anyone else? Yeah, you in the back.......right. They would dump less garbage here. Just like they did before Mayor Jennings cut them a sweetheart deal in 2006. What would happen if we didn't run the Albany Landfill just to benefit Allied Waste? That is right. It wouldn't fill up 6 years ahead of schedule. Supply and demand. If you have something of value and you give it away for free. People want it. Too many people. And that causes problems.

I'll try to put this in terms the head of the Finance Committee can understand. Remember when Oprah gave away coupons on her website for Free Kentucky Fried Chicken?

So, the current Albany landfill has a lot of demand. We are like the Wal*Mart of landfills. Cheap prices and a great place to get rid of old people we don't want to deal with anymore (what? You don't drop off old relatives on hazardous waste days?). But unlike Wal*Mart, we don't have the space to hold all the garbage in the world. We have very limited space (this is called "supply"). Very limited supply, big demand. Anyone know how we could change the supply and demand relationship? You, the hippie in the back with the bad tattoos....that is right. We could be more like the local co-op instead of Wal*Mart. Charge ridiculously high prices and have a shitty parking lot to boot. Can anyone tell me who gets more customers, WalMart or the co-op?

So, this is definitely a supply and demand issue. Roughly 90% of the garbage at the Albany landfill comes from outside of Albany, about half comes from Allied Waste who is paying below market rates. This is because we are cheaper than a Grand Street hooker. We need to start thinking like a Fort Orange club "lady of the evening". Something Client #9 would be interested in.

Now back to Mr. Sano.
Councilman James Sano, chairman of the council Finance Committee, said bonding has "always been the way it was planned," and he questioned what would happen if higher tipping fees drove customers away.

"Then how are you supposed to fund it?" he said.
The DEC says that you need to charge $10 for every ton to pay for the expansion. Please read this slowly. If it takes 7 years to fill up the landfill and you charge $10 a ton or it takes 3 years to fill up the landfill and you charge $10 a ton and in both cases your tonnage is the same because the landfill's volume is a fixed constraint, which option creates more money?

Mr. Finance Committee Chair? Mr. Finance Committee Chair? Need some more time to "do the math"?

The answer is "neither". They bring in the same amount of money but one option gets you a lot more years of using the landfill, which is a good thing, right?


Enjoy paying those taxes.

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Supply and Demand | 5 comments (5 topical, 0 hidden)
It bears repeating (none / 0) (#1)
by TerryONeillEsq on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:31:05 AM EST
I don't usually repeat myself, but this one bears repeating.

I must say, when Mayor Jennings bollixes something up, he does it with ballocks of brass.

GARBAGE IN. GARBAGE OUT?

Jerry says the time has come for us to break our habit
Of seeing garbage everywhere and running out to grab it.
But like the smoker who's gonna quit, not today, tomorrow,
The gambler who thanks his lucky stars that loansharks let him borrow,
Or the sot who's got on him of booze a heavy load:
"I'll quit, but in the meantime, let's have one more for the road."
So here we are in Albany with our growing heap of trash
And Jerry thinks that that's just fine as long as flows the cash.


Great post (none / 0) (#2)
by albany layman on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 07:09:53 AM EST
I wish Albany would take a little more pride in this revenue source.  They used to call Chicago the hog butcher to the world, if I remember correctly.  Perhaps we should call Albany the garbage dump to the region.  And of course, post that prominently on our new All-America city signs.

Good idea (none / 0) (#3)
by Tom Paine on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 01:01:35 PM EST
But be sure to name it "Mount Jerry". After all, he loves to have his name on everything.

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Or (none / 0) (#5)
by AlbanyObserver on Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 11:05:07 AM EST
The Gerald D Jennings Memorial Trash Heap.

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Mr Calsolaro (none / 0) (#4)
by AlbanyObserver on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 01:25:09 PM EST
As far as I know, Mr Calsolaro is Council Member for the First Ward. Someone made an error there.

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