"Almost" - The Evolution of a Lie


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:59:47 AM EST

Chief Tuffey on in March 2008
"I don't know how many guns were purchased. ... I don't know. There's no records, guys."
Chief Tuffey's position in August 2008
Tuffey said the department destroyed 42 of the machine guns last year. In an interview last week, he said confirming the total number of guns has been difficult because the department had almost "no records" related to the purchases.
Gives one great confidence in our top law enforcement officer, doesn't it?

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"Almost" - The Evolution of a Lie | 15 comments (15 topical, 0 hidden)
Rat-a-tat-tat (none / 0) (#1)
by TerryONeillEsq on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:53:23 PM EST
Give Chief Tuffey a break.  A police department that had five different chiefs in six years is really an extraordinary anomaly in my experience.  This is a very bad situation for a tight paramilitary organization that requires stability and continuity of leadership.  

Very telling (none / 0) (#2)
by Tom Paine on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 07:45:43 PM EST
That's exactly the kind of tiny change in a story that makes you know the guy is lying.

To throw the chief a small bone: I am sure he feels that he cannot come clean here without doing a lot of damage to his friends. That's not a good enough reason to do what he's doing. Just saying...I think that's what he's caught in.

Yeah (none / 0) (#3)
by albany layman on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:51:20 AM EST
My heart bleeds for the guy who is lying and stonewalling on behalf of the other guys who (allegedly) broke the law.  Poor guy.

Should I expect the same treatment when I break the law?  Is this part of the Tuffey rules of the legal system?

some of you may recall (none / 0) (#4)
by DIA on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 06:00:25 AM EST
this is a pattern with Tuffey.  

With regards to the FBI investigation of Wilcox's crime spree with his buddy Dare, he initially said he didn't know of it.   Later on he said he knew of it but hadn't been given an "official" briefing.   Once again, one word makes a world of difference.

And, he claimed that Soares should've met with him to brief him on the cop who was buying steroids illegally.    In that case we also later learned that Soares had briefed him.

Sort of like when Jennings said that the cops who were drunk and crashed their cars were being disciplined.  He said they were "not working".    Of course they were working and being paid, they had just been reassigned.    

I guess you can't really blame Tuffey and Jennings.  Obviously they have no ethical qualms about lying so what reason would they have to tell the truth?   They keep lying and Jennings keeps getting re-elected and they all keep getting fat raises and fancy SUV's to drive around on the taxpayer's dime.     So far it has worked.  

Maybe the impending tax bills will wake up the people.


Lies or stolen files? (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:31:56 PM EST
So the police department has "almost no records" associated with the purchase of the illegal machine guns yet someone has been feeding these records to the Times Union.

Could this be because the files were stolen by the very same person who is providing them to the TU?

Maybe the FBI should be looking to see who took these files and prosecute them for hindering the investigation.

Whatcha think?  

On a side note: I am not much of a computer geek so can someone tell me why I can read the site and post when I am traveling but when I try to read the site from my home or office I get a "zero size" error message?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

zero size (none / 0) (#6)
by DIA on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 06:34:45 AM EST
is computer language.   Your computer is making fun of you.    

I hate to rain on your conspiracy but there was a FOIL request and a judge ruled that the APD had to turn over the few records that were available.    

I don't think the FBI investigates FOIL requests.  I'm sure you would like it if they did.

Just to be clear.  If there are crimes being committed you think that anyone who tries to report that is the criminal?    You would've enjoyed East Germany back in the day.

[ Parent ]

Tuffey (none / 0) (#7)
by professor on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:45:47 AM EST
I believe that the Chief is in a catch 22. On one hand he is the person responsible for the investigation and honest reporting of his findings to the people that he serves. On the other hand he is, as one blogger put it, the 6th Chief of Police in the past 14 years.  This is a very unusual and difficukt position for him to be in.  He has to make sure that all of his t's are crossed before he makes anything public.  At the same time he has to run a Department that has low morale in a city that has an ever increasing number of violent crimes.
The real questton is when will he break with the Mayor and take him to task over the fact that he has tried to micro-manage the Department.  Why has Jennings had so many Chief's of Police?
Many people see Tuffey and Jennings as co-joined twins.  Tuffey needs to direct his professionalism and expertise towards the Mayor and demand that he be allowed to do the job that he is so highly qualified to do.

APD Morale (none / 0) (#8)
by Tom Paine on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:58:28 AM EST
That morale is going to go way up around January 2009 when both twins are gone.

[ Parent ]
The good Doc-tor and the MACHINE GUN SCANDAL (none / 0) (#11)
by champlain on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 04:22:28 PM EST
Me thinks you spent too much time at the hash bar during your last sabbatical in Amsterdam.

You call Lil'Jimmy Tuffey 'highly qualified'?

I need some of what you're on Professor...

How, exactly is Lil'Jimmy qualified to be Chief of Police?

The only thing Lil'Jimmy is highly qualified for is to be a member in very good standing of the Lying Police Chiefs Club of Albany.  Lil'Jimmy's multiple lies and botched cover-ups are all very well-documented on this site.  And let's not forget Lil'Jimmy joins other infamous members of the Club: former Chief Turley lied about illegal disciplinary investigation tactics, former Commissioner Nielsen lied about misappropriating forfeiture funds, former Chief Wolfgang lied about excessive overtime and 'attaboy' days that all ended up on the taxpayers dime.

The Times Union is asking some excellent questions in an editorial today:

Why wasn't a list of federally registered firearms that Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents presented to then-Police Commissioner John Nielsen several years ago included in the documents released last week?

Why wasn't a letter that then-Police Chief Robert Wolfgang wrote to the ATF in 2003 stating the department had lost 12 machine guns included as well? And why weren't records of a 2003 investigation by Anthony Bruno, then an internal affairs commander and now an assistant chief, also turned over to the paper?

Why hasn't anyone involved with the purchase of machine guns for the stated yet false purpose of official duty ever been disciplined?

That last question is an easy one.  Lil'Jimmy Tuffey doesn't have the skills to do progressive disciplne or dismissals for cause on the bad cops in the APD.  Lil'Jimmy's a loud-mouthed bully - but when it comes time to bring the hammer down to discipline the bad cops...well, Lil'Jimmy just can't seem to get it done.

That's why taxpayers are still paying Albany cop William Bonanni's salary and he's still on the force even though Bonanni's been suspended something like SIX times for beating handcuffed suspects, he's showed up for his police shift drunk, and he's cost the City of Albany at least $200K plus in a recent civil rights lawsuit.  And let's not forget that Bonanni was on the scene shooting off his gun in a busy intersection when a innocent bystander was killed by APD bullets as APD officers were shooting at a fleeing car on New Years Eve in 2003.  The City of Albany ended up paying over $1 million for that bit of police misconduct, and a 26 year-old innocent Albany resident ended up dead.  What happened to Bonanni?  He ended up on an 18 plus month PAID leave- but was eventually reinstated to the APD force. YIKES!

The last two years of Lil'Jimmy Tuffey have been all about the COVER-UP baby.

Wake up taxpayers!  You're paying $46 MILLION a year for a 330 member police force that's run by a incompetent and bumbling drinking buddy of Jerry the Tan.  

Lil'Jimmy's the kinda police chief who coveniently gets called to the scene by Mayor Jerry when Jer crashes his City-provided SUV in a mysterious one-car accident into a fire-hydrant after 10 PM on a Saturday night shortly after the Mayor was hangin' downtown - and Lil'Jimmy the kinda police chief that makes sure no field sobriety test is done on Jerry the Tan.

The Professor and Terry O need to get their heads on straight.

The only way the APD is every going to have effective leadership, is if a straight-arrow professional from outside of Albany is brought in that will steer clear of the skullduggery of Albany politics.  

The Professor and Terry O can apolgize for Lil'Jimmy all day long - but a real professional would comply with the FOIL request, and refer the law-breaking cops for prosecution


[ Parent ]

yes they do (none / 0) (#9)
by DIA on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:43:21 AM EST
"Many people see Tuffey and Jennings as co-joined twins"

And old JT ain't doin' a damn thing to change that opinion.

Also, i believe the term is conjoined twins.

Terry, your comment surprises me. (none / 0) (#10)
by Jim Travers on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 11:52:55 AM EST
Quite frankly, I find your willingness to "Give Chief Tuffey a break" for his lying behavior abhorrent, especially so because you are a candidate running for office.

To give a free pass to Tuffey for his seemingly incessant lying about very serious public safety issues simply because he's the newest in this adminstration's long line of chiefs would be as ludicrous as us giving Jennings a free pass for screwing up Albany's finances because he's had a long line of mayors preceed him. (73)

Lying, we are all taught, is wrong. When the liar is a cop, the offense is greater. When the liar is the Chief of Police, the offense should be unforgivable, not just because he lied, but because he is the paramount example of what his and our Law Enforcement officers should strive to exemplify.

How the Chief decides to relate to the public, the people who pay his salary, is not something that can be blamed on the many chiefs who held his position before his tenure. Nor could it be if he had but a single predecessor.

Tuffey alone decides which words he chooses to use, just as we all do.

While I agree with your last sentence, I'm afraid that this chief will not be the one who reins in APD's bad apples, for he is one of that bunch.

His record of being truthful proves this and and also that he will not be the chief who brings stability to our PD.

Why Albany Won't Make It (none / 0) (#12)
by Roscoe on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 02:21:05 AM EST

Has anyone else noticed that there are no real ideas in this comment and thread?  Just the same old barf pies, recast for a new day.  

Let's have a look:  The T-Useless prints an abominable editorial about its multi-year FOIL request about this really-old-news machine gun caper.  Waxes all huffy-puffy-Tuffey about it. Nothing in it about the larger dysfunction of the ruling political class, the revolving door police chief issue being a mere side show to keep the few restless natives occupied.  Certainly nothing in it explaining, chapter and verse, why the sole remaining newspaper in the Capital City of the State of New York,  won't truly flex its muscle to change the political paradigm in this city.

Our wonderful host, DIA, hops in with a repeat regurgitation along the lines of James Carville counseling Slick Willy about the definition of "is", and then runs off atwitter with his usual politics of personal destruction shtick.

The blog chorines chime in indignantly, and then squabble amongst themselves. Champ does his usual splendid impersonation of an Albany Thug, twice.

No one states the obvious: this is a non-issue to the voters, and that is why the political class, as a sick organism, offers it as an issue.  

Baffle them with bullshit, boys, fool them, fool yourselves.


Roscoe (none / 0) (#13)
by albany layman on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:20:07 AM EST
What you don't seem to recognize is that you just joined the chorus, girlfriend.

If you have a point other than "DIA and all of the commenters suck," go ahead and make it.  Otherwise, you may want to consider why you are spending any time here at all.

i have an idea (none / 0) (#14)
by DIA on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 06:49:47 AM EST
If the police chief stops lying, I'll stop writing about it.  

If the mayor stops destroying the city finances,  I will treat him with the kid gloves you apparently think he  deserves.

I agree that there is personal destruction going on.   Self destruction.   Jerry and Jimmy engage in it far too often.   Maybe you can give them some suggestions on how to curb this behavior since you are the idea man.

The top issue facing this city is a financial one.  Followed by a public safety one.  The public cares about those.   There are planning issues, educations issues, vacant building issues, etc.  The fact that the top law enforcement officer is a serial liar deserves to be documented, IMHO.   People who want to dismiss that behavior will never help solve a damn thing.  

Since you are such a Carville fan, I"m sure you are aware of the one smart thing he ever said.   In Albany, in 2009, his words will ring very true.

There are people in this city clinging to the old ways.   Some are in power.   Some aren't.   Neither are doing a damn thing to fix the problems.

cheers

Roscoe and Bull-poopy (none / 0) (#15)
by champlain on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 08:02:11 AM EST
The only thing that's bullshit about what's going on with the APD MACHINE GUN SCANDAL is how the City can LIE in SWORN COURT PAPERS when trying to withhold public documents from public view, and argue in those court records how documents related to the MACHINE GUN SCANDAL should be kept out of view because the guns were used for crime fighting.  The City's court papers said: "Disclosing the weapons that are used by the police force in fighting crime in the city of Albany could endanger the life of the officers using them against criminals,"

- - But then Lil'Jimmy Tuffey goes in front of the Albany Common Council and tells them the machine guns were never deployed for police purposes.  Tuffey's quote: "None of those weapons were ever used in the official (line of duty). ... We never owned those weapons, ever."

WTF?

Where's the truth Roscoe?  Where's the integrity?

If I'm the Albany Police Chief for two weeks, two years or two decades - I am sworn to tell the truth to the other two branches of government.

You call it bullshit, I call it breaking the law.

For a long time now, Lil'Jimmy Tuffey has needed to stop acting like the Albany Police Union Pres., and start acting like a real police chief who disciplines the bad cops on the force.  Seems Lil'Jimmy can't break out of old roles.

When the head of the main law enforcement agency for the City of Albany tries for TWO YEARS to cover-up and lie his agency out of a machine gun scandal that has multiple officers and a former Assistant Chief breaking various laws; and the end result is machine guns end up in local gun shops and several other machine guns cannot be accounted for - that guy needs to be shit-canned as fast as possible. Well Jerry J, are you ready to dismiss your appointed Chief?

+ crickets chirping +

You seem to think the voters don't care about these issues. I think you're 100% wrong. The one thing that taxpayers DO care about are the basics of City government: police and fire protection. When these basic functions start to get f'ed up, the voters quickly look for options and alternatives.  Consdering the APD management's record on the MACHINE GUN SCANDAL: http://www.democracyinalbany.com/story/2007/12/23/65452/115  and considering APD management's record in general: http://www.democracyinalbany.com/story/2008/2/19/596/99633   I think the voters are desparate for alternatives.

Albany's going to make it just fine, even after the Jerry/Jimmy/Nicky/Joey reign of error, but it's going to make it because new officals are going to be elected in 2009 - the kind of elected officals who don't lie to the courts and to City Council members trying to do oversight on a law enforcement agency where the Chief is out-of-control.

There are plenty of great people with good ideas out there waiting for their opportunity to challenge the Jerry/Jimmy wrecking crew in 2009. In my opinion, 2009 can't come soon enough.

Happy August,

Love and Kisses....Champlain

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