Reality Check


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 05:12:12 AM EST

There were lots of comments in the TU this weekend in reference to the recent shooting of the young girl in West Hill saying how the "parents" of West Hill need to solve this problem. I agree. In a perfect world that is how it would work. Ward and June would tell Beaver it isn't nice to shoot people. Here is a little hint fpr the self righteous suburbanites telling us how to solve the problem of kids shooting kids in Albany.

Many of these kids have no parents. Daddy is in jail and mommy is still a kid herself

I personally want the Easter Bunny to solve this problem. Others would like the "parents" to solve the problem. We all have our favorite mythical heroes. However, barring those low probability solutions, we need to come up with something else if we want to solve the problem. Wishing for solutions doesn't work. Just ask Jerry Jennings about the city budget.

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Help from the Police? (none / 0) (#1)
by rivrghi on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:43:26 AM EST
There have been so many comments about why the people in poor neighborhoods don't cooperate with police, and how are we going to catch this killer if they don't?  There are some good ideas, but most are overly simplistic.

The relationships between people in poor neighborhoods and the police (backed by the leadership of the city) are fraught with years of neglect, abuse, deceit, and mistrust.  This is not going to change over one incident, no matter how poigniant it is.

We have to understand that the police operate differently in these neighborhoods.  There's been talk recently about an illegal gambling club on N. Allen St. that got shut down because of a robbery.  The cops had had many complaints, knew what was going on, and possibly had some members who were participating.  These points are typical in this type of situation.  They finally "had" to do something.  

What is not at all evident is that, if the club had been in Arbor or West Hill, it would quite likely still be in operation.  In those neighborhoods, it takes a lot more for the police to "have" to do something about it.  Way, way more.

I once lived in a poor neighborhood that had a similar problem with a club operating illegally.  It operated for years, dragging the whole area down.  There was a long list of complaints and incidents, including knifings and shootings, which were investigated by the police.  The neighborhood was pretty much in despair about it.  Many people had complained many times for years, and nothing was done.  Most people had given up.  Many thought the cops were being paid off.

The police finally did do their job, but only after several years of neighborhood people complaining and organizing.    

It's hard to understand the level of despair and hopelessness there is in these neighborhoods about anything improving.  The idea of giving information to the police in the hope of accomplishing anything is laughable.

A few weeks ago, there was a lot of talk about how some members of the police are allowed to abuse citizens in poor neighborhoods, with the knowlege and support of the city administration.  Interesting that now that a child has been killed, everybody expects people to just turn around and "cooperate" with the police.

People can't just turn off their mistrust for police with a switch.  Actions of the police (or inactions), and the administrations backing them, have undermined the relationships between citizens and police in poor neighborhoods for decades.

If you haven't lived in a neighborhood like this, and dealt with the police many times, you can't begin to understand what relationships with the police are like.  If you talk to a cop, it can seem just as likely that they will think you're a criminal yourself, as it is for them to believe that you're giving them some useful information.  

In most neighborhoods, you have some reasonable expectation that, if you have a problem and need help from the police, they will be a resource for you.  In the poor neighborhoods, there is very little if any expectation that the police are a resource for you.  It can seem like the cops have some other agenda, and they don't see it as their job to help you.

The common understanding is that, if criminal activities are kept somewhat out of obvious eyesight, then things are okay.  The police aren't going to worry about it unless they have to, no matter how much you complain, or give them information.

Sometimes, a situation can come along that can move people enough, that things can work differently.  Hopefully, this situation will be like that.  But that will be for that one situation only.  It won't address the underlying relationships between the police and citizens, or the city leadership and the neighborhoods.

That will take a longer struggle.

This is my idea of a good cop (none / 0) (#2)
by jackknight on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:24:27 AM EST
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25047818/.  This cop was working cold cases (which the case should never have been if the police had got it right the first time - there was male DNA found at the scene of her daughters murder).  She spent 13 years in jail for the murder of her daughter.  You can not make up for that time.  To get to the truth, the cop risked going against the DA, and ended up suspended from the police force without pay.  The   DA in this case finally said he would "retire."  Good riddance!  The man was like the Spanish Inquisition and I wonder how many other innocent people he was responsible for putting in jail.  His name is Dennis Delano, from Buffalo, NY,  and is currently running for the legislature.  I hope he wins.  It shouldn't have to be that hard to be a good police officer.  And, by the way, a few of us have served in the armed forces, and if Albany County still refuses to get cameras in the station and in their cars, we will get them in ours.  We've talked about this.  We're retired and feel we have the time to devote to it.  No more sleaze in Albany!  

Kathina Thomas (none / 0) (#3)
by TerryONeillEsq on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 03:43:08 PM EST
KATHINA THOMAS
9 June 2008

Ah, our little sweetness.  Our little child.  I haven't got a word.
Her teddy bear,  her Barbie Doll with her will be interred.
What future lay before her.  What dreams were hers by right.
Whatever could have happened to steal her from our sight?
A doctor, she could have been, an actress or a sailor,
A chef, a judge, a general, a president or tailor.
She might have been a teacher or a dancing ballerina.
But she always was and will be our dear beloved Kathina.
How many futures could be hers.  How many dreams come true.
For all the little children in our town what can we do?
The time has come for every one of us to take a stand
And say no guns, no gangs, no drugs -- gone, forbidden, banned.

How 'bout that other mythological creature... (none / 0) (#4)
by Jim Travers on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:58:22 AM EST
I hear they call a "Mayor". They're supposed to be sensible and frugal when spending your tax dollars.

Oh, well. Just another myth, I suppose, but I did hear there was a Stratton sighting over Schenectady way...

Maybe we could locate & run Sasquatch. He couldn't possibly do worse. It takes lots of creativity and planning to end up where we are today. Things like bankrupting the City don't 'just happen'. 'ol 'Squatch doesn't have the smarts for that.

Chief Tuffey might want to put off his post 911 Homeland Security agenda & get some more cops back walking and biking the beat in our neighborhoods.

What's desperately needed and sorely lacking between the police and citizens is human contact.

What we now have is human confrontation. Just ask any cop or any citizen and that's what they'll tell you. Antagonistic interaction by both parties. And that's how life is and will continue to be, at least until the overwhelming issues of race and poverty are addressed with serious solutions.

If we can't achieve tackling and surmounting these issues, we will all too soon be living in a much more controlled society, likened to that of what must be Chief Tuffey's vision of Albany's future in the post 911 world: Homeland's secure.
All locked down tight. Curfews. As 1984 as it gets.

What I understand is that soon after this tragedy was announced, it was reported that the shooter might have been a teen who earlier had had a fist-fight and came back, probably in a car, but maybe not, looking for revenge - with a gun.

That was known on day one. I haven't heard that theory discounted yet.

Jackknight - I caught coverage of Det. Delano on Dateline or some other similar show.

Had he obeyed the Blue Line & kept his mouth shut & not embarrassed the DA by having his cases overturned, he'd stll have his job. What's the matter with this guy anyway? Must be some sorta freak, caring about justice for those wrongly convicted.

I wish I could hear some similar stories about an APD cop or two who've acted so nobly as Delano.

There was once this guy named D'Alessandro ...

Hmm. Is this in our future? (none / 0) (#5)
by Jim Travers on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:08:46 AM EST
http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=693890&BCCode=BNNATION&newsdate=6/10/2008

Killing Potential (none / 0) (#6)
by A Muse on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:05:16 PM EST
There is nothing positive that will come out of the death of this young child, however, she represents children across the country in similar positions.  It is easy and we are quick to point fingers at others looking for someone to blame.  It is my fault she was shot and died and it was yours.  We create living situations for ourselves and for others.  We must all take the responsibility for this child's death because it was preventable.  We are collectively all to blame.  It is the way and where we chose to live our lives.  

Albany is a playground for criminal activity and without some protection (of criminals) from the police there would be less criminal activity.  The APD needs to clean house before someone else comes in and does it for them.  Even given the best police force in the country, our living situation and environment dictate in large part what we will become.  

I have worked with JD's as they were called in my day.  There were reform schools and the kids that were really "not manageable" had their heads shaved and placed in the equivalent to solitary confinement.  This did nothing but to harden young kids.  Many professionals do not know what to do with an 8 year old that purposefully kills both parents by lighting their house on fire.  I do not believe that the City or APD have a clue how to handle the violence within Albany.  Sometimes it is necessary to reach out for help to others that have a more objective eye and no political connections.  This will not be done because of the personality of the Mayor of Albany, Silver, Bruno and others.  More children will and must die before there is an outrage against the administration's arrogance.  

Starting with the Mayor, request that he move to Arbor Hill.  It is the first and best thing to do.  Tuffy  says he walks the streets at night.  Remember he is packin.  Someone tell me if they see him.  Let him place his mouth where his but is. Require all City Employees to live in the City of Albany or say Good-By.  I have being saying this in print for years.  Some Alderpersons now echo that mandate, except not the Mayor who continues to live in the Albany portion of Slingerlands.

The APD needs a strong oversight committee independent form, and one that supercedes the Mayor in disciplinary actions.  The APD is not responsible for the crime in Albany, however, they contribute to it.  The Schenectady Police are a good example.  Egging the citizens of Schenectady and eating up the evidence (not the eggs).  This is not a good example of a well functioning police department, however, Albany's may not be that much better.  Chug a few and go to work.  Every driver should carry a brethalizer kit and check any officer that pulls him over.  Should he/she refuse(he/she will), and you used your cell phone camera, it can be used in court.  It is time for the citizens as required under the Constitution; to take control of the City of Albany including the APD.  The Mayor with all the security in the City Hall makes a strong statement that he does not trust the APD and the citizens of Albany.  Should not every citizen have the same protection as the Mayor?  Are Average Citizens lesser people? In Albany they are.  There is no good that could come out of a tragic loss of a young girl.  Tuffy keeps saying it was a stray bullet.  If so, whom was it intended for?   A 10-year-old male mule?  Would that make it okay?  

Outside help has been offered and refused numerous times.  Only a fool would refuse help.  Would you let a fool run your house or business?  It takes a giant to admit that he/she needs help.  There are no giants in Albany - red or blue.  


Very strong words, A Muse... (none / 0) (#7)
by Jim Travers on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:12:34 PM EST
Indeed, very strong words and all true.


The neighbors had also complained about (none / 0) (#8)
by jackknight on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:45:34 PM EST
21 Winthrop Ave.  They called police numerous times about traffic coming at all hours, about a child of school age not attending school, and it took some time for anyone to do anything.  Since a detective lived a couple of houses down from the house, he assured neighbors it was being taken care of, but it continued to go on for awhile.  Finally, it was busted as a "crack house."  Some interesting things going on in that neighborhood and some interesting people living there.  From South and North Allen St., and some streets perpendicular below a little bit, over to Central Ave., and north on both sides of Western Ave.  I'm not sure what detective lives near 21 Winthrop, maybe he lives at 45 Winthrop.  My wife worked with a neighbor who lived across the street from 21 and she and her husband have since moved.  I think she said his name was Savoca or something like that.

Hey, all you so called progressive liberals (none / 0) (#9)
by one flew east on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:29:41 AM EST
There was an arrest tonight in the murder of the young girl, but I know that none of you really care about.

What a sad bunch of pathetic losers you all are!  

hey one flew (none / 0) (#10)
by DIA on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:03:44 AM EST
if one thing can be said about you it is that you are a classy guy.  

 Certainly doing a great job representing the police on this blog.

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