Fort Orange Club


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:39:52 AM EST

My favorite part about the nice people at the FOC.
He said the club was not considering a compromise proposal.
Why should they compromise? Jennings is a member. Jennings appoints the zoning board members. The zoning members have an exceptionally strong track record of ignoring the laws in favor of what Jennings wants to do for the elites.

I predict new parking spots. I also predict some of those cars will run into a problem of periodically losing all the air in their tires.

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FOC (none / 0) (#1)
by A Muse on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:17:04 AM EST
A mishmash of downtown Albany and the rest of the City.   Can you list the names of the people on the planning board and ask them to provide the taxpayers with the 5 and 10 year plans so we can see for ourselves just what the vision is that they have cooked up for Albany.  The City is in very serious trouble and Jennings and his friends are trying to stand on the taxpayers trying to crawl out of a hole that has unknown depth.

Hearing (none / 0) (#2)
by E Corning on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:41:43 AM EST
For anyone who wasn't there, I highly recommend WNYT's coverage, they did the best job.  Although, watch the clip, because the print version is not nearly as good.
http://wnyt.com/article/stories/S490870.shtml?cat=300

The neighborhoods had an excellent turnout.  Everyone presented excellent testimony about how the Fort Orange Club was ignoring the will of the neighborhood and trying to force their plan through.  One resident even presented a wonderful compromise that would offer MORE parking while maintaining the historic buildings.  

The Fort Orange Club produced a bunch of rich, old, white men with numbers after their names.  They consistently informed the residents that we should not be concerned, because they had undertaken a ten year study and determined that this is what was best for the neighborhood.  Further, once they tore down two 130+ year old buildings (which mind you are historic, but not nearly as historic as the Fort Orange Club and therefore should not stand in the way of the Fort Orange Club's parking lot and squash court bleachers) the residents of the neighborhood would be graced with a much better view of the Western side of the club, thereby making all of our lives better.

All in all, I think the neighborhood made their point.  Thanks to Council Member Richard Conti and County Legislator Chris Higgins for showing up to testify against the club's proposal.  Thanks also to the 80 or so people who came out.  

Even if we don't win, we showed that the people will not sit silently by and be told what is best for us.

More parking (none / 0) (#10)
by Tom Paine on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 06:15:29 AM EST
How about we tear down the FOC and provide even more parking.

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Ass-fault ... (none / 0) (#3)
by 1894 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:46:08 AM EST
Democracy in Albany? An obvious oxymoron.

I'm with DIA. I predict pavement.

Benefit the few! (none / 0) (#4)
by A Muse on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:37:47 PM EST
There is evidence in the Mayors office that one person's objections must be considered in the use of some bordering property.  Although a majority of petitioning neighbors supported its use, the Mayor prevented it preferring to go with one objector (John Hartigan) party of the minority. This sets an interesting precedent. The preference of one outweighs the preference of the many.  It also had something to with the RC Dioceses getting involved intentionally or unintentionally.  The Bishop's office deigned any knowledge according to an investigation by Tobin & Demph. The Old White Irish & Polish Catholics (ringleader John Hartigan, and sidekicks Eugene Wojtal and Jack Hickey (yep Hickey's dad) faxed letters to officials from the Bishops fax machine. All signed a document(s)lying to the Officials.  There was some anti-Semitic Jewish stuff going on so things swung towards the Catholics.  Very nasty. Lebrun said Spanish Inquisition!

If you have some Old Irish Catholic White Guys, use the Bishops Stationary and Fax machine to send stuff to the Mayor.  It worked for Hartigan and company.  They stole from the their own Dioceses and there plan was realized.  Absolved next confession I believe.  In any case the majority have no rights in Albany.


DIA (none / 0) (#5)
by one flew east on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:11:24 PM EST
I hope you're not advicing people to break the law again, are you?

Service Integrity Respect (none / 0) (#6)
by DIA on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:44:25 PM EST
I don't know, who bought all those illegal machine guns and evaded taxes?  Was that some of your co-workers?  

Maybe you should be lecturing them.

You are the one supporting criminals, come arrest me if you can.  I'm waiting.  I'll put my record of law abiding against yours any day of the week.  

Overtime?  

I obey the law.  I dare you to do the same.

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DIA, first of all (none / 0) (#7)
by one flew east on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:52:37 PM EST
You only think you know about me.

Second, you're just like the rest of your liberal friends, who can't defend their own words.  

And just for the record, this is the second time you advised people to break the law.  

And one more thing (none / 0) (#8)
by one flew east on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:15:09 PM EST
Your statement "I'll put my record of law abiding against yours any day of the week", shows me, since you don't know me, how arrogant you are.    

one other thing (none / 0) (#9)
by DIA on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 05:00:48 AM EST
I know you defend a group of people who break the law on a regular basis (and I don't mean liberals).

Of course I'm arrogant.  Where the fuck have you been?  I've also been right about everything.

Perhaps you'd like to write that piece saying how embarassed you are for defending the APD since:

Wilcox was a criminal

Roughly 10 percent of the APD was involved in crimes with machine guns and tax evasion.

Another member of the APD showed up to work high

Another member pulled a gun on a coworker

Many have shown up to work drunk or been arrrested for DWI

Or, you could get all on your high horse about a blogger mentioning letting the air out of someone's tires.   I know which one you will choose.  And thus, i feel i know you pretty well.

I'll also look for your piece on "why the recent state bailout of the city finances is a a burden to taxpayers".   That is what conservatives do, right?   Or do they just line their pockets with overtime and pretend liberals cause all the problems?

Your move.   Time to walk the talk my conservative law abiding friend.    

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Hey DIA (none / 0) (#11)
by one flew east on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 06:17:08 AM EST
I don't pretend liberals cause all the problems, just most of them, with their elitist attitudes like yours.  You are just like every other liberal, you think you know what's best for everyone.
You know nothing about me, you just think you do.

And I know you pretty well, always telling others what crimes to commit.  What's the matter, you ain't got the balls to commit them yourself.  Just like a liberal, all talk no action.      

I'll walk the talk, name the place and time where you'll meet me.  

I'm voting republican (none / 0) (#13)
by Urban Dweller on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:06:14 AM EST
Flewy's comments are reminding me of this funny website called I'm Voting Republican.  Check out the video on the home page. http://imvotingrepublican.com/

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Yo Flewballs (none / 0) (#19)
by champlain on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 07:55:40 AM EST
Enough with the thug-a-thon crap and 'advicing' people to break the law drivel. Perhaps you remember one of your law-abiding and well- reasoned posts from March '08: "if i knew where you lived, I'm come (sic) over tonight and kick in your front door, just so I could watch you crawl underneath your bed with your phone.  Calling for help..."

Everybody reading this site already knows you're a felonious thug with a severely twisted view of the world. Ya try to make people think you're some kinda law enforcement genius or legal scholar, and ya tell people how you're 'schooling' them and all that shit - but in the end you're only a common low-life thug - just like the Jerry-Jimmy-Frankie-Nicky-Joey wrecking crew.
http://www.democracyinalbany.com/comments/2008/3/2/3358/28610/17#17

So why don't you cut the crap with the 'advicing' people to break the law bullshit considering you're already on record about your urgent desire to engage in various felonies?


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oh for gawd's sake (none / 0) (#12)
by albany layman on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:25:58 AM EST
Should I get you two a couple of 18th century pistols and you can duel it out?

Doncha just love it when elitists accuse (none / 0) (#14)
by Jim Travers on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:36:45 AM EST
the other guy of having an elitist attitude?

Say flewy, why don't you back up your words with some facts and point out for us a few of those criminal acts DIA's been brainwashing us to commit?

Jim (none / 0) (#15)
by one flew east on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:04 AM EST
Get it straight, I said two.

The first one being on March 8, 2008, DIA stated, "My advice to women I know is that if a cop tries to pull you over and you are anywhere near west hill, arbor hill or the South End.  Keep driving until you are right in front of the capital and then let them pull you over there"  That advice violated the New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law.  

And then in this post he states "I also predict some of those cars will run into a problem of periodically losing all the air in their tires" implying that the people that park there, will have their tires, either deflated or damaged.  Both crimes, under the New York State Penal Law.  


DIA, "Of course I'm arrogant" (none / 0) (#16)
by one flew east on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 11:22:49 AM EST
From the Webster's Dictionary of the English Language

ar-ro-gance: the character of being arrogant; the disposition to make exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, or estimation; the pride which exalts one's own importance; pride with comtempt of others.

Yep DIA, that's you.  Hell, my dictionary even had your picture next to the word.  

I could've saved you some time (none / 0) (#17)
by DIA on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 01:17:05 PM EST
This is from my site's FAQ:

What makes you think your opinions are worth reading? Are you some type of egomaniac?

Yes.

One flew east....well, son, I just don't know what (none / 0) (#18)
by jackknight on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:33:59 PM EST
to say when I hear you talk that way.  You never come out and give your opinion on those that don't deserve to serve on OUR police force.  You've mentioned you think it's alright for a police officer to run a strip joint, for them to be involved in little(?) gambling operations, to protect bars that continue to serve underage clients, to manhandle women, and to use excessive force.  What is your opinion on the detective that just freed the mother accused of killing her daughter in Buffalo?  Do you think he is not a good officer?  Son, you don't run a strip joint without being involved in cocaine.  At least, most don't and certainly not the ones in our lovely city of Albany.  As for Kenneth Wilcox, he was a crook.  But after going to Noche, I have a feeling some people weren't so happy with him and slipped a little something in his drink.  I know for a fact they did to a young woman at 720 Central Ave.  I've seen the file on that one.  I hear they roughed her up pretty bad downtown and just like the woman that spent 13 years for killing her daughter, both were convicted of crimes they were innocent of.  You're not letting me "feel" your empathy of these innocent people.  You skip over these crimes on the part of the police and harp on poor DA who gets pissed there is not accountability in the police force and not the kind of men we want.  WE WANT A CLEAN FORCE!  YOU GET IT?  Don't you?  
   As to the bishops office sending documents, it was probably done while he was in Fire Island.  Or has he stopped going now that the church is in so much trouble?  I think he gave up Washington Park in the late 70's.  But some of those guys at the Fort Orange have some strange habits.  It's amazing what too much money in a small, corrupt city will do to a man.  I guess they get so bored they have to take a walk on the wild side every so often.  Why, some of them look like the air's already out of their tires!

DIA (none / 0) (#20)
by one flew east on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:42:33 AM EST
LOL

jackknight (none / 0) (#21)
by one flew east on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 12:14:45 PM EST
Let me see if I got this right.  You asked me my opinion about several subjects and then you misquote yourself about one of the questions and lecture me about my answers.  Interesting!  You asked for my opinion.  Opinions aren't right or wrong, they're just opinions.  

I have no opinion about the case in Buffalo because I know nothing about it.  

And maybe I'm not feeling any empathy for those "innocent victims" because a jury of their peers found them guilty.  Your "innocent victims", are my convicted criminals.  

Amd maybe Wilcox was a crook.  But if that was true, shouldn't you be asking Jack Nielson and Bob Wolfgang why they protected him.  Or could it be, they were crooks too.  

And how many strips joints are there in Albany?  Something tells me you don't the answer.  

But what is truly amazing about you and others on this blog is how arrogant you are.  Let me make this perfectly clear, I will respond to what I want to, not what you think I should.  The last time I checked, I was still living in America and my First Admendment rights were no different than yours.  Or, do you believe they are?

And you more thing Jack, my deceased father had the right to call me son, you don't!

Get it right, Flewy? (none / 0) (#22)
by Jim Travers on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 08:45:29 AM EST
That Alzheimers sure comes in handy, huh.

"Get it straight, I said two."

Well no, flewy, that's not all you said. Here's exactly what you said:

"And I know you pretty well, always telling others what crimes to commit.  What's the matter, you ain't got the balls to commit them yourself.  Just like a liberal, all talk no action.  

Seeing you're so good at reading the dictionary, why don't you read the definition for "always".

I don't think you'll read 'twice' in its definition. You might want to look up 'few' while you're at it.

Talk about being petty!

Let me try that for a moment. I think you could be considered a co-conspirator, for your egging on DIA to commit the actual deed you suggest is a crime by your saying "What's the matter, you ain't got the balls to commit them yourself."

The only difference between you, Flewy, and Gomer Pyle is that Gomer had the balls to go after a culprit he believes guilty of committing a crime by chasing them down the street shouting
"Citizen's Arrest, Citizen's Arrest"

So if DIA in your law & order mind is guilty of instigating a crime, something probably considered a felony because of his use of the internet, why don't you take action to curtail his devious ways and see his reign of terror comes to an end? Don't you have the balls of Gomer Pyle? You sure think like him.


And how would one do that? (none / 0) (#23)
by AlfredMoisiu on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 10:48:29 AM EST
You're calling One Flew East a coward, for not "take[ing] action to curtail his devious ways and see his reign of terror comes to an end".

Since DIA is anonymous and registers his or her domain name via a anonymous proxy service, its pretty much impossible to figure out who he is. Only the political types whom DIA astroturfs for actually knows his identity. (Although DIA's criticism of the US Attorney may have resulted in some National Security Letters being issued.)

So whether One Flew East's accusations hold water or not, that's a pretty lame comeback.

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alfred (none / 0) (#24)
by DIA on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:08:21 PM EST
Just for fun, Alfred, which Albany politician do you think would've been advocating the use of blogs in 2004 when I started this?   I could use a good laugh learning who you think was putting together a grand strategy that employed people to start astroturf blogs (or you could just amuse me by listing any politicians in 2004 in albany who you think knew what a blog was at the time).  

You are correct that the NSA probably is well aware of me and I'm on some lists.

Your assertion that some local politicians are behind this blog are the opposite of correct, but amusing.  

And since OFE has such high standards when applying the law, let's give him another one for his list.  "I predict that there will be future instances of city employees taking scrap metal from the city and keeping the proceeds for themselves when they turn it in."  OR "I predict that the amount of overtime reported by city employees will be a good bit higher than the hours they actually worked"

when that occurs, I'm sure OFE will have the law come down hard on me for "instigating" it.  "the blogger said this would happen, he's behind it all!"

{insert evil blogger mastermind laugh here}

alfred M (none / 0) (#25)
by DIA on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:25:07 PM EST
hey look, you are touting a conspiracy that i'm backed by local politicians.   Just a bit ago you were accusing me of being a conspiracist.  

Sure is tough in a world that isn't black and white, isn't it?

You know what, I think you have a good point in thinking i'm backed by local people.  Why would someone do this in a city like albany where no one does anything for any reason other than political power/money?   highly unlikely.  

so, if you haven't yet, I recommend going through the campaign finances of all the local politicians and seeing if there are any suspicious looking payments.  Then try to tie them to someone.  Then figure if that someone is me.  I'm sure you'll find plenty of interesting stuff in there.

I knew you could be logical and make judgements based on what you know, rather than what other people tell you is the truth.  Of course, you only do it when it suits your needs.

Its hard not to in this town (none / 0) (#26)
by AlfredMoisiu on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:39:38 PM EST
Alot of conspiring happens in this town, so its difficult for an intelligent person to not spin a conspiracy every now and again. My point in the other thread was that the law is complicated, and seemingly slam-dunk cases go nowhere all of the time.

On the other hand, you spend alot of time doing research and have maintained a high-volume blog for a long time. Maybe you're just a civic minded citizen-journalist.

I'm sure that campaign finance records hold all sorts of interesting tidbits... if only I had the time. I've spend most of the last couple of months on the road, and I have better things to do than make myself angry.

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