Profiles in Courage


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:53:04 AM EST

There currently is a case regarding a reported illegal search of a woman pulled over for a reported traffic violation. The woman claims she was profiled and claims the officer told her as much.

I think we'd all be fools to think profiling doesn't happen. It happens to white women in rental cars in the wrong neighborhoods. It happens to plenty of other white people in their own cars driving in the poor, mostly minority neighborhoods in Albany (and every other city in the US). Everyone knows, or should, that suburban kids like to get off 787/90 and swing through the ghetto to pick up some drugs. AND, it happens to black people all the time and everywhere. I do it myself all the time. There are far too many young black men in this city driving $60,000 pimped out Escalades for me to not wonder what they do for a living. They are never wearing ties. I make assumptions.

That is the reality. Right or wrong that is how things work. And I don't have a real problem with it because I see no way to change it and because it does allow for criminals to be questioned at times when there was no reason to question them. That said, I really doubt the Shutter woman didn't use her turn signal. She was profiled because of what she looked like and where she was. No big deal. There are reasons I don't drive in certain neighborhoods in this city. That is number two on the list.

Some people are criticizing this woman because she lied about who she was going to pick up. While this is of course something to criticize, I'm sure everyone in her situation would've done the same thing. Just as I'm pretty confident the whole stop was based on a lie (e.g. the turn signal). But she still was initially lying which makes it seem like she was trying to cover something up. No argument from me there. Everything else she says has to be viewed in the same light.

On the other side of the equation we have Chief Tuffey. He has lied in the past when questioned about illegal conduct that occured in the APD. In this case he refused to refer this case to the Review Board. He has a track record of trying to cover up illegal behavior within the APD. So, as with Shutter, I believe everything else he says has to be viewed in that same light.

Now, I don't have a problem with the profiling. What I have a problem with is the violation of civil rights and the accusations of sexual assault. If you pull someone over due to their profile and they check out as not doing anything wrong, you let them move on. It is a numbers game. They haven't committed any crimes and neither have you. You don't violate their rights. If indeed that happened, and the chief is trying to cover that up, we have a serious problem. A crime was committed at that point. And since we agree that based on past performance, both parties can not be taken at their word, we need an independent investigation.

This is about basic rights. And while we may not ever know the whole story, as I'm not sure how either side can prove or disprove the sexual assualt claim, phone records should show whether or not the officer took her phone and called someone on it. If that happened, which should be easy to prove, one of the participants in this twisted tale gains some credibility. And the other loses more.

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Are any of the open issues (none / 0) (#1)
by FedUp on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:04:17 AM EST
surrounding Tuffey and the APD resolved or moving towards resolution?  

Delay, delay, delay and hope it goes away.  It seems to be working.  

Until the next time something happens and the cycle starts all over again....

isn't it almost two years or so (none / 0) (#2)
by DIA on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:10:05 AM EST
now with the machine gun issue, right?  Gives you real confidence in Tuffey's ability to solve a crime in a timely manner.

We all know nothing will come from the internal investigations.  Either we get independent investigations or it is business as usual.

Rights (none / 0) (#3)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:36:55 AM EST
DIA:

Correct me if I am wrong but if the Times Union's revised version of the facts are correct Ms Shutter had committed a crime.  She committed the crime by knowingly transporting a parolee to purchase drugs.  We know at least that much and I have to wonder if there is more as the scum bag she was playing taxi for was robbing gas stations before and after the date in question.

And apparently the District Attorney agrees with me on this one, at least as far as the facilitating the drug purchase on this date goes. Why else would he have an ADA offering to cut deals with Buxton which would shave off a substantial portion of time.  He has no reason to protect the APD here.

Ms Shutter transported a violent piece of shit parolee to buy drugs here in Albany. SHE IS THE PROBLEM. She intentionally supported the gang run drug trade by playing taxi driver and she is exactly who the Albany Police should be pulling over and searching.  How else do you expect the police department stop these gangs?  Lets get to the chase, whats more effective at stopping gang violence, More fucking midnight fucking basketball or preventing  people like Shutter from bring violent felons to our city on drug buying sprees?  

Shutter, and people like her, are exactly why Albany redeployed the bulk of the police force to Arbor/ West Hill and why we have drug related violence on our streets. She came into our city to support the gangs and everyone better remember. She is the problem that the Albany Police are supposed to stop.  And we should all remember that as well.  

Your sympathies are misplaced here.

 She deserves to be condemned and it sounds like the police were right with their suspicions that she was up to no good.  I am also willing to bet that her demeanor once she was pulled over reinforced their suspicions. She was, afterall, there to pick up a violent parolee who was purchasing drugs.

About basic rights?  How about the citizen's basic right to be able to live and work without the fear of being robbed by Ms Shutter friend.

How about the basic right to walk down the street without the fear of being a drug related violent crime statistic.

She violated the basic rights of a civilized society.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

facts (none / 0) (#4)
by DIA on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:44:03 AM EST
You keep saying she was there to buy drugs.  You have no proof of that. And if the cops did, they should arrest her.  But they haven't. Try to stick to the facts.   I know they aren't to your liking in this case but that doesn't mean you can just make shit up (known as a smear in some circles).

Did I say that she was there to buy drugs? (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:29:57 AM EST
NO, I did not. Try reading what I wrote.

I said that the Times Union reported that she was playing taxi cab for a violent scum bag parolee who was there to buy drugs.  The Times Union reported that the violent scum bag parolee said that Ms Shutter knew his purpose for wanting a ride meaning that she knew that she was carting a parolee to violate his parole and break the law.

I am quoting the Times Union and given that you are buying their reporting of the stop I would assume that you would also trust them on this.

Deal with the fact that you are supporting someone who (accroding to the same newspaper you are using as a source) knowingly helped a criminal buy drugs and violate his parole.

That is a crime, isnt it?

Again, what basic rights to she violate of ours? Bringing a violent (read his docs report) criminal into our city so he can buy drugs and support the gang run drug trade?

You make a big deal about how unsafe our streets are but you have absolutley no problem acting as a foil for the people who make it so fucking unsafe.  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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please find me that quote (none / 0) (#6)
by DIA on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:51:09 AM EST

I honestly have not seen anywhere in the TU that says she knew she was driving someone to buy drugs.   Please link to that quote and then we both can ask why the cops haven't arrested her.  

I am supporting no one other than the concept that people have rights based on our existing laws.  If those rights were violated, that is wrong and should be addressed.  Unlike you, I believe all people have these rights, not just people who i like.   I think this woman is an idiot for putting herself in that position.  I have said I'm ok with her being stopped.  I just am not ok with her phone being used or her being cavity searched, if those things did happen.  Note I recommend an independent investigation so that we can get to the truth instead of people making up their minds based on what the times union reported, or what some commentor on a blog claims as fact.   As I've said before, I don't expect an independent investigation and this issue will just fade away.  You win again.  Congrats.  

Again, if it is as you say and she said she was driving the guy into albany to buy drugs, it is a crime and she should be charged.  Last I've heard, she had not been charged.  If you want to get angry at someone, perhaps you should question why someone you think is a criminal is not being charged.

Also, I would think you would be upset that the prosecutors offered a known repeat offender a deal.  You really want that guy out on the streets sooner?   I don't.  

As I have always done, I am saying everyone needs to follow the law.   Apparently you don't think everyone does.  But you have been consistent in that as well.  You can attack me all you want and say I'm supporting criminals and violent gangs and the like, but that doesn't change the situation.   As my friend One Flew East said yesterday, I'm just asking questions.  At this point, we don't have the answers.

Note:  Saying "I am quoting the Times Union" would work better if you provided quotes from the Times Union.

word games (none / 0) (#7)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:40:00 AM EST
Again, you read the same articles I did. The Times Union reported that the violent scum bag felon said that Shutter was aware why he wanted the ride so she was aware what the deal was.  

You can keep up the deflection up as long as you want.

Problem with the District Attorney cutting deals?  Well it certainly does raise some questions, doesn't it?  But Dave the Wonder Dog likes to cut deals. Probably because his office tends to loose cases that go to trial.

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

DIA, Did I hear my name? (none / 0) (#8)
by one flew east on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:37:18 AM EST
"I am supporting no one other than the concept that people have rights based on our existing laws.  If those rights were violated, that is wrong and should be addressed.  Unlike you, I believe all people have these rights, not just people who i like".

I also believe people have rights based on our existing laws, but since this story broke 2 months ago, you and your far left buddies, without knowing the entire facts of this case, have tried and convicted the 2 police officers involved.  Aren't they afforded the same rights that you're always talking about?  From the totality of you past statements, I don't believe you think they are.  

please (none / 0) (#9)
by albany layman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 12:15:06 PM EST
provide a specific example of someone who has "tried and convicted" the cops in question.

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one flew (none / 0) (#11)
by DIA on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:29:56 PM EST
I know you don't believe that I think cops and politicians have the same rights as everyone else.  I'm not sure what I can do about that since I'm pretty clear on the fact that I believe everyone should be treated equally under the law.

What you may be confusing is my position that cops and politicians in albany are not treated the same as everyone else which is definitely something I believe.   Here is an example: If I pointed a loaded gun at a co-worker in the office I would be fired and most likely be in jail, meanwhile a cop did that and is still on the payroll.  It appears to someone like me that cops and politicians have more rights than everyone else.  I have a problem with that.  If I showed up to work drunk and blew over the limit, I wouldn't get an apology letter.  If I evaded taxes and bought an illegal machine gun and resold it, I would be in jail for ten years or so.  The police chief would not say that because i didn't know it was illegal, I couldn't be held accountable.

You get the idea.  

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newman (none / 0) (#10)
by DIA on Thu May 01, 2008 at 12:36:23 PM EST
I'm going to do your work for you.  Here is what I'm assuming you are referring to:


 A parolee who is jailed on robbery charges has told police he was with a Ravena woman and had been in Albany to buy drugs on the night she said an officer subjected her to a cavity search during a traffic stop in West Hill.

   


The Times Union has learned the parolee, 32-year-old Willie J. Buxton of Selkirk, is being courted by law enforcement agencies to dispute key portions of the statements made by Lisa Shutter of Ravena. Buxton has told police that Shutter dropped him off in Albany on Dec. 22 to buy drugs, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the matter.
   


Those sources also said Buxton has offered to cooperate with police in their investigation of Shutter's allegations in anticipation of getting leniency in his criminal case.
   


In a brief interview Saturday morning at the Albany County jail, Buxton disputed that he would be able to refute Shutter's allegations. He also denied making any agreements to cooperate against her.

And then this:


Sources briefed on the parallel investigations said Buxton has allegedly told law enforcement officials that Shutter knew he was in the city to buy drugs.


Al (none / 0) (#12)
by FedUp on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:55:04 PM EST
you're going over old ground; this has been argued now ad nauseum.  

This is a case of "he said she said" on the part of the police and Shutter.  What clouds this case was that Shutter (and others) were discouraged against filing with the citizen's review board; one of the officers in question has personal ties to Chief Tuffey leading to questions of how "impartial" an internal investigation would be; and the rational for the stop / checking of the cell phone calls is questionable at best.  Shutter's mother called the Times Union to investigate and stop what she felt was continued harassment  of her daughter.

Maybe you don't have a problem with it but I have a problem with desperate citizens turning to the media to get a fair investigation OUTSIDE of internal affairs.  Of course the public confidence is high after Bonnani, gun scandals, Tuffy coverups, etc.

Here's a start:  let's all chip in and buy a few patrol car cameras and the following software for the APD (for a fraction of the Bonnani settlement):  

http://www.leadatatech.com/administrative.html

Administrative / Internal Affairs Software Suite
Use of Force
Officer Involved Accidents
Complaints
Awards
Personnel Documents and Events
This software will enable management to maintain records at a touch of a button regarding your staff's use of force, complaints, officer involved accidents, awards, personnel files and events that are occurring in their lives that may be distractions. Be prepared as an administrator in case you're subpoenaed to court!

Early Warning Alerts
Includes early warning alert features that let you set the limit on the number of chargeable accidents, citizen complaints, and use of force incidents and events that an officer can be involved with, within the time period that you establish. On-screen warnings alert you when those limits have been met, alerting you to a potential problem officer.

Includes alerts for when evaluations are due and when merit increases are due.

Cameras sound (none / 0) (#13)
by jackknight on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:19:25 AM EST
good to me: in their cars, in the stations, and any other aid to help insure fairness, honesty, respect.....I also want to see all accident victims taken to the hospital, immediately!  I want that hospital to have mandatory testing for roofies or any other drugs used to knock someone out.  

Fedup (none / 0) (#14)
by alfrednewman on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:09:48 AM EST
As I said before... cameras cameras cameras.

Can you give merit pay to a police officer?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Yup, Al (none / 0) (#15)
by FedUp on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:11:41 PM EST
we agree totally on the cameras.  

My guess is they use the term "merit" loosely; it's usually things like longevity pay (extra spare change per hour when you hit 10 years...15 years, etc).  

Well deserved extra pay considering the 179 killed in the line of duty across the US in 2007.

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