Values


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 06:46:17 PM EST

A white girl gets drunk and is last seen with 3 young men in Jamaica. She is never seen again. This happens in 2005. One of the young men is arrested for the third time today and that makes the front page of CNN. It is now three years later in 2008.

One wonders if instead of three young black men in a low income section of town getting gunned down this week if this had been three SUNYA co-eds getting gunned down by an aquaintence, would the coverage have been different? What does that tell us about us?

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Values | 13 comments (13 topical, 0 hidden)
DIA (none / 0) (#1)
by alfrednewman on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:44:36 PM EST
Would the covereage have been different? Sure.

Especially if the co-eds were hotties and the killer was interesting.  

We have devolved to a point where life is cheap and meaningless. The lives lost on Deleware are simply not entertaining or interesting enough to keep our attention.

A hot little white girl goes partying on some exotic island and goes missing- now that is entertaining.  

Some black guy kills three other black guys on a cold rainy day in the middle of some uninteresting little city? How could that compare?

Close to 50,000,000 abortions have taken place in the United States since Roe V Wade. If that isnt an indication of how cheap life is I am not sure what is.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

On CNN? (none / 0) (#2)
by hawkny on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 05:08:20 AM EST
Naw!!!!

Young black guys are gunning each other down 50-100 times a day, across the country. Sometimes this happens in multiples of 2,3 and 4 too, just like our crew on Deleware Avenue. At best, in small cities, it is local news but not so in the largest metropolitan areas, except as fill, on the occassional slow news day..

Life has been devalued?  You betcha, only most of the white guys and gals being killed today are experiencing premature death in wars, heavy drug/alcohol abuse and suicides brought on by broken families, unremitting peer pressure, and lonliness.  

Why, the young man who snuffed out the lives of three other men (all of whom just happened to be black)on Deleware Avenue admits he was "prompted" by drugs, alchohol and the state of poverty assigned to his life. Need more be said?

Life is tough, and George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their corporate pals have only made it worse, for more of us.

Your correct (none / 0) (#3)
by Corruptany on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 05:28:05 AM EST
In Boston, we have a murder or more a week. At first it was big news, then after a while, it just became nothing. The only time the gang violence really got the news it deserved was when a young college girl from Kentucky got drunk and followed a bunch of rough guys back to their party in Dorchester. She ended up getting killed in crossfire. Surprisingly the police found the people who did it, but somehow they can't find the ones who killed the little black kids outside of school.

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Right! (none / 0) (#4)
by fineagedwine on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 07:45:44 AM EST
  You made avery interesting commentary on the state of the media in our country. It is theater at it's wosrt.
  I love it when one local news station uses the tag "We ask the tough questions".  The fact is that very few of our local reporters ask any questions at all.  Most are simply news reporters, not investigative reporters.  Many simply re-write whatever the press release say's when they go to a story.  Why is everyone afraid to ask Chief Tuffey, Jim Miller, Jerry Jennings the tough questions? Why does the media not ask Alice Green the tough questions about the real problem in the Black Community?
  We are being shortchanged by the local press on every level.

Fineagedwine (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 09:28:32 AM EST
It isnt so much that we are being short changed by our local press. The simple sad fact is that the over welming majority of the people simply don't care.

The average idiot on the street spends more time deciding what to have for lunch then they do deciding who to vote for.

If the local news station asked the "tough" questions the sad truth is that most people would flip the channel and those that didnt probably wouldnt be able to understand the questions in context.

What is important is perception over reality.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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fineagedwhine (none / 0) (#6)
by albany layman on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 01:22:38 PM EST
I am not familiar with Alice Green's work.  At least not in any depth.  Having said that, I have no idea why you have harped on her more than once now, in relation to these killings on Delaware Ave.  

If you have questions for her, how about asking her.  Send her an e-mail.  Better yet, send her an e-mail, tell her it's for publication, and then post the whole thing here at DIA.

Unless, of course, you are just looking to use this tragedy as a rhetorical club against someone you don't like.  Then there would be no point in discussing her position with her.

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Layman (none / 0) (#7)
by alfrednewman on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 03:08:03 PM EST
Maybe you should take the opertunity to read about Dr Green's antics and publicity stunts over the years before presuming that she is not relevent to the conversation.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
Values & The Media (none / 0) (#8)
by Roscoe on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 05:19:24 PM EST
A video of our most recent tragedy was run on the NBC affiliate in D.C., and included mostly footage of the arraignment scene outside the courtroom.  It was like watching Jerry Springer.

As far as TV news goes, no one watches it, if you look at the figures.  Even fewer watch opinion shows.

Newspaper circulation continues to fall, probably because they have nothing in them.  I read all of my morning papers online now, rapidly, as there's not much in any of them.  Then I read a cross-section of opinion from around the world.

I think, Alfred, that people do care, and that values are now represented online, such as at sites like this.

MainStream Media values have gone the way of the Nativity Scene at Christmas in the local park, for the same 'reasons'.  That is why the barely literate 'reporters' have no questions to ask the taxing authorities and professional social hustlers.

I Hate the News (none / 0) (#9)
by Corruptany on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:22:34 AM EST
I really hate how mainstream media always portrays business people and politicians like they are some sort of visionaries. I guess that's true, I wonder what substances these people take to get those visions. Jerry, does whiskey give you these supernatural visions of a convention center making Albany into NYC. If it does, I think I will have a shot and see what visions I will get.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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The newspaper (none / 0) (#10)
by AlfredMoisiu on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 04:34:39 PM EST
Is a waste of ink.

I bought the TU the other morning when I was getting on the Amtrak to NYC. I had read the entire paper, with the exception of the stock tables and classifieds before I left the station!

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Albany Layman (none / 0) (#11)
by fineagedwine on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 09:44:07 PM EST
You live up to your name.  Have you been under the covers during your time in Albany?  You are not aware of Alice Greens "work"?And you ask the question why am I "ranting" about Alice when I simply suggest that the press should ask her tough questions?
All I ask is that Alice and Ann Pope (do you know who she is?) would look at the problems within the African/American family systems and look for answers so that black on black murders and assaults will end, so that drug use and abuse will not be so prevelant and so that the black children in our poorer neighborhoods will be given a chance at equality and success in life.

once again (none / 0) (#12)
by albany layman on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:31:25 AM EST
When I say that I'm not familiar in depth with Alice Green's work, what I mean is that I have never stepped foot in her office, I've never spoken to the woman.  I  read newspapers and that's about it.

Her work seems to be about pointing out the blatantly obvious fact of a racial component in our justice system.  Perhaps you disagree with her work, or her message, or her solutions.  And that's fine.  People disagree about stuff all the time.

But I ask again: What does she have to do with this tragic event on Delaware Avenue?  Should she have been in the room and stopped this guy?

Once again (none / 0) (#13)
by albarbor on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 02:28:09 PM EST
I spent my entire childhood in the Morton Ave. Projects, just below Delaware Ave. I am sure Ms. Green's work is important. The bottom line is we need smaller government. If you recall the history of the building of the Empire State Plaza. People who worked on the plaza had jobs. The bottom line is when people are working together to build a community they do not have the time to committee crimes and kill each other.

Your house and family may be in perfect order. Your house may be your castle. It is amazing that your taxes continue to increase to pay for ultimately political failures. In America we suffer from a type of bipolar. During the elections we are nice and we play in this manic phase. As soon as the elections are over we run back to our home and neighborhoods and forget about the issues. We sit at home in a suppressive state and complain. That is the reason why no one should vote for Clinton, because she had an obligation to speak out about poverty. For all of you who don't realize your taxes increase with an increase in poverty. So it is in your best interest as well as your children's interest for your elected officials to make policies not to put a bandaid on poverty, but to end it. Poverty is the leading cause of crime, violence and homicide. I am so happy that DIA is doing the work of the people. The media is owned by the politicians so we will never learn the truth.

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