Hell Activity Bulletin - All Skate 4:00, Ice Hockey Practice 8:00


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 10:39:45 AM EST

Councilman CalsolaroMayor Jennings made the following statement on the convention center.
"In light of the challenges we're facing, I think it's only right we take a step back and look at this very, very closely," the mayor said. "There are other priorities in the city."

Jennings said he is asking the state for money to help balance the city's budget and cope with an excess of rundown vacant buildings.

"There is no doubt this is now a very big challenge," he said. "We have to look at this in that context."

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Hell Activity Bulletin - All Skate 4:00, Ice Hockey Practice 8:00 | 16 comments (16 topical, 0 hidden)
?? Hell Activity Bulletin - All Skate 4:00, Ice Ho (none / 0) (#1)
by Corruptany on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 11:35:03 AM EST
Hell Activity Bulletin - All Skate 4:00, Ice Hockey Practice 8:00

I don't get the post name?

there is a saying (none / 0) (#2)
by DIA on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 11:37:03 AM EST
about hell freezing over.   The above quote from jennings was less likely than hell freezing over.  

And a blue moon ... (none / 0) (#3)
by 1894 on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 11:41:15 AM EST

"The million-to-one shot came in. Hell froze over. A month of Sundays hit the calendar ..." -- Shirley Povich.

Must suck for you DIA (none / 0) (#4)
by alfrednewman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 11:53:04 AM EST
When it becomes apparent that the Mayor is either reading your site of advice or gasp maybe not as stupid as you think.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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alfred (none / 0) (#5)
by DIA on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 12:08:05 PM EST
you're welcome (i'm assuming you were trying to thank me for my efforts to save your tax dollars).

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what a fascinating response, al (none / 0) (#6)
by albany layman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 12:42:18 PM EST
DIA is opposed to the convention center.  The Tan One has now gone from publicly shilling the CC to recognizing that the money isn't there and the thing probably won't happen.

So, DIA is seeing the result he wants to see, but somehow that "sucks for him."  Uh, OK.

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Jerry here is my name if you use my idea (none / 0) (#7)
by Corruptany on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:39:48 PM EST
Jerry,

I think your reading DIA, I pointed what I felt should go in that site and I want credit if you use it. You can call me Jason P. Borisevicius so all my friends and family know it was me.

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Screw it (none / 0) (#8)
by Corruptany on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 01:41:17 PM EST
You know what just call me Joe Roblito, I mean he is the master of all things Urban Planning, I am sure he came up with that idea years ago when he wrote the book on succesful planning.

Layman (none / 0) (#9)
by alfrednewman on Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 03:11:32 PM EST
I am also against the convension center.

The comment was more or a "damned if you do- damned if you dont."
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Just Wait A Minute (none / 0) (#10)
by fineagedwine on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 04:15:12 AM EST
...but McEneny say's it's not the city's right to decide...is he still doing the Mayor's "Bidding"?

Taps for the Convention Ctr (none / 0) (#11)
by tmonjeau on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 07:47:07 AM EST
Okay, so at $397 million, the CC cannot and should not be done because NYS doesn't have the $$ and I can't see private $$ coming into play.  However, in my book, I think it sucks.  If the numbers had worked out it should be built.  Why?  Have any of you experienced the sense of deja vu all over again?  Think back to the Knick/Pepsi/TU debate, the same bogus initial estimates etc, I supported it as a resident, because it seemed obvious to me that it would succeed in downtown and spark the resurgence, obviously a gamble (maybe like say betting on my Giants this weekend, not a shoe in, but a good bet...).

  Since I have had my office downtown next to the Federal building since 1990, I have seen downtown change from a ghost town to a busy vibrant downtown, the change is quite amazing if have had the chance to see it day to day.  I attribute a lot of this to that gamble/investment in the TU arena.  As you may know, the debt service is paid by hotel/motel tax in Albany County, and despite the dire warnings month after month at out Cty Leg mtgs by our hotel owners and hospitality industry of their demise if we extended it or increased it as we did to fund the CC, look around and see how many new hotels have been built in Albany and Colonie over the past couple years, I will bet a dozen at least.  And of course, unless our Albany county residents rent a room, this costs them NOTHING.  It is paid by our visitors.

  It seems to me that the history of the arena should be instructive here, in that it is a gamble, albeit a good bet, it the numbers could be reduced and the state $$ increased.

  Last but not least, why do you all keep referring to all of the other good uses for the money, knowing full well that if the money is not used for the CC, we do not get it.  We don't get to say use it to do all the other necessary and worthwhile projects because we won't get the money.  It is hard to believe that you would feel that it is better for Albany to get nothing for $0 vs. Albany getting a CC for $0, with the possible/probable economic benefits of construction and ongoing operation (and if we get SMG/Bob Belber to run it with the expertise and success they have had at the TU, we should be in good shape).

  So, having said all of the above, now that the final number was set, and it is way out of reach, it is obvious that the project is not do-able.  Too bad.

Totally Predictable in a City of Megalomaniacs (none / 0) (#12)
by nycowboy on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 08:04:49 AM EST
The Convention Center comes as part of a long list of promises that Albany politicians have made and never promised.

They include:

1)A moving staircase that would effortlessly bring people up and down state street -- this was suppost to save Albany, and was proudly talked about by Erastus Corning for Years.

  1. A massive city-owned parking garage, that would be so cheap and available, that would forever solve Albany's parking problems, and this was talked up by Whalen for many years, and built in a scaled down version by the New Post Office.
  2. Many unbuilt highways including the Mid-Crosstown Arterial which would have dramatically reduced congestion on 787.
  3. Maglev trains that would go from Renselear to NYC
  4. The massive freedom arch at Lincoln Park
  5. The Capital Harbor
  6. Buried 787
  7. Gold Dome at the Capitol
  8. 60,000-seat sports stadium at UAlbany
  9. Many public housing projects (which where either canceled or downgraded in quality due to high costs)

This list from the Times Union article, "High-tech hopes recall empire dreams".

Albany leaders suffer from delusions of grandeur.

Are you complaining about this? (none / 0) (#14)
by AlfredMoisiu on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 08:01:36 AM EST
Every one of those "plans" was, is, and always will be completely retarded.

A 60,000 seat stadium in a 100,000 seat city? A big dig for a highway that is empty except for when the state workers come in and go home? Another big dig that would rip the core out of the city? A massive harbor for an already underutilized port?

The only possible exception is the maglev trains, but since there are many intractable track ownership issues with actually doing that, it was more of a fantasy than a plan.

Let's do another hideous $2 trillion (use a inflation calculator to project the $2 billion 1972 cost to today) project like the Empire State Plaza instead. We could have a convention center topped by a 3,000 room hotel (like this one.), topped by a rotating gold dome with restaurants inside.

Then you could have an underground expressway from exit 23 that emptied into a massive underground parking garage, and have an automatic people mover thing to take people to the restaurant!

You could also convert the 787 pedestrian bridge to an elevated canal, so boaters to attend conventions.

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NYcowboy (none / 0) (#13)
by alfrednewman on Fri Feb 01, 2008 at 09:51:29 AM EST
All of those demonstrate the stupidity of the electorate.  You forgot Coumo's monorail linking Troy with Albany and Menands.

Personally I think that the biggest mistake that the city made was not finishing the connector between the plaza and Rt 90 at Henry Johnson.

The plan had been to eliminate a lot of those ugly old buildings next to the plaza and tunnel under Lark street, swing under the park and exit at Henry Johnson.

It would have solved a lot of problems if they had done that
 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

Why not focus on what Albany does have (none / 0) (#15)
by Corruptany on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 04:32:19 PM EST
I read allot of comments of people who visit Albany and have lived in NYC and Boston. In those two cities, the major trend for wealthy young professionals is owning a brownstone in a neighborhood that is walkable. Think Park Slope, Williamsburg, Cambridge Ma, Charlestown. All of these areas were slums back in the day and are all the most desired places to live. Problem today is that in order to live in one of those areas, you need to be making allot of money. Many young people are naive and just put themselves in the whole to live there. Dumb move by them because these are the people who will sureally be living at home with their parents by the time they are 30.

So what about Albany. It looks just like Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope, Charlestown, the South End. Difference is that you can live there and not be in debt to your ears. I have read about people from NYC and Boston moving to the Albany area for this reason. Many think about it but ultimatly don't due to the way things are here. I am positive that the current housing crisis will encourage people to look to Albany. It could reinvigorate the city by bringing in young people with intelligence, ideas, families.

Imagine people moving here and opening new shops, imagine retail in Albany. If and when these people come, they will come with more money and will become a political force. They will probably demand better public transit, public saftey, better schools. I know first hand that a city I once lived in Somerville, was just like Albany, it was ran by old school Irish Politicians who did nothing but line their pockets. Today it is one of the most desirable places to live in the country.

I know NYC and Boston are different the Albany due to the economies. I beg to differe though, I think that the current state of the economy gives young people looking to live in cities no other option then to look for more affordable cities, and the best area is Albany. It has the vibe of a city, amazing architecture, history, walkable streets, proximity to NYC/Bosto/Montreal.

All we need is some sort if rapid transit that links these cities, and Albany would be the center, it would be the most desired place to live. People will say I am wrong, maybe I am, but anything is possible, I think this is Albanys time in the sun. I wish I still lived home, but I am a casualty of poor economy in Albany. If people push the old timers out and bring in people with new ideas, this will all become a reality.

I share your optimism (none / 0) (#16)
by AlfredMoisiu on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 04:31:58 PM EST
But warmer climates may beckon... I spent some time in South Carolina this summer, and it was like living in a different country. And I don't mean that in a redneck kind of way.

Charleston is almost a boomtown, with Honda, Mercedes and other auto companies building plants, and other activity ramping up at former military facilities. Public beaches are a 15 minute drive from downtown.

If it weren't for commitments and clients here, the taxes, climate and economic atmosphere would probably draw me down there.

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