Spoiled and Not Very Intelligent Children


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 02:25:54 AM EST

Who is giving advice to the NY Republicans? Is Minarik still in charge? Do they really want to have to try to defend the Senate and have to run on this record? And how pathetic is it that Spitzer and the NY dems have squandered an opportunity to do something historic in NY government by, well, actually doing something?

Honestly, who could dream this up? "Hey, let's make a huge deal about how the governor's people tried to inform the public just one more way in which Joe Bruno is ripping off the public. Let's keep this thing alive so we can keep getting quotes like this in the papers".
Valle contended that rather than joining a political plot to besmirch Bruno, Felton was responding to a request from the governor's office to provide an accounting of state resources.

"There should be public accountability, whether it's a State Police helicopter or a State Police driver," said Valle.

"This is the utilization of state resources, so the records should be kept ... the public is entitled to know what that helicopter is being used for," he added.
Listen to that crazy talk. "public accountability", "records", "public entitled to know".

In other news, Bruno's pal Abruzze apparently owes the IRS $2.5 million. Looks like its time for Bruno to figure out a way to give $2.5 mil of your tax dollars to one of Aburezze's companies.

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One has to wonder ... (none / 0) (#1)
by hawkny on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 05:30:24 AM EST
If and how much Joe Bruno owes to the IRS too.  With so much overlap among his roles as public official, private entrepreneur, corporate investor, horse farm owner, inverstment real estate, candidate for office, political party activist, etc, etc.. There certainly have to be questionable entries in the quarterly and annual income reports and the deductions he files with the feds and state....especially as it concerns dumping cash into trusts and foreign accounts

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. (none / 0) (#2)
by alfrednewman on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 08:36:23 AM EST
DIA:

I am a little surprised to read that you think that it is acceptable for the governor to use state resources for blatantly political purposes. Would you be equally thrilled if you discovered that Albany city and country officials were using tax payer funded resources to discover who you are and keep track of your doings?  

Somehow I think you wouldn't be so happy with that.

Did Bruno break the law?  No, he did not.  Did Spitzer's people?  We do not know.  And we do not know because both of the agencies that investigated this, the State's AG and Soares didn't subpoena anyone and did not have anyone under oath. I would agree with you except for that matter.

Spitzer's people admitted to unethical behavior. Rather expediently too. Almost like they wanted to fall on their swords so they could deflect damage.  Andrew Cuomo passed the buck to David Soares because Soares had subpoena powers. Soares probably read the Times Union and discovered that it wasn't sexy enough to waste his time on and didn't do an thorough investigation before making some very impolite remarks about Cuomo to the TU and issuing his "See No Evil" report.

Here is what I have been told about Spitzers management style. He micromanages. Does anyone here think that he did not plan of know what was going on?  He is the Fucking Steamroller, after all.  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

state resources (none / 0) (#3)
by DIA on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:18:39 AM EST
here is what i've read about this.

  1.  Bruno was using the helicopter to fly to fundraisers in NYC.  He claims he also was going to "meetings" for state business but we are told that we can't know who he was meeting with because it was secret.

  2.  The cops were on the job anyway.   They were asked to keep records.   I don't see that as abusing state resources.   I would fully expect that when any state employee uses any state vehicle they must document where, why and who they traveled with.   If I was in charge, that would be required.   Why?  Because the tax payers deserve that.

Like i said, I'm more than happy to have Bruno and his crew continue to harp on this.  The only thing i would like to see change is that when democrats are asked about it they always respond with the following, "Are you asking me about the matter where Senator Bruno used tax payer dollars to fly himself to Republican fundraisers, if that the issue you would like to know more about?"  

I remember when you used to defend Tom Delay and John Sweeney.   I'm confident in my "spidey sense" on how these things go.  Bruno is a crook.  

I have also pointed out that I think spitzer has handled all of this very poorly from Day One.

And Shelly silver is also an embarassment.  In case you were wondering.

and to your question (none / 0) (#4)
by DIA on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 09:26:25 AM EST
Would you be equally thrilled if you discovered that Albany city and country officials were using tax payer funded resources to discover who you are and keep track of your doings?

I'm pretty certain city and county officials are using our tax dollars to do a lot of illegal things.  Not thrilled about that at all.  

If you can show me how i'm wasting city or county tax dollars that I have been given possession of and am supposed to be using for the benefit of the city and county than I would support someone from the city or county doing everything they could to put a stop to it.   I'm sure you can see the difference between invading the privacy of a law abiding citizen who you don't like vs. holding elected officials accountable, right?

I pointed out that (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:40:01 AM EST
Tom Delay was held to a higher standard than his Democratic counterpart.  Democratic party rules do not call for the removal of a congressman who was under indictment and not formally found guilty. Republican party rules do.  If nothing else you should be wondering why the Democrats didnt mirror the Republcans higher ethical standards. Oh forget that, we all know that the current Democratic leaders are just as bad as the ones that were thrown out.  Only real difference in the Republican Congress was far more popular with the American people then the Democratic one is. 11% favable rating?

I pointed out several times that I disliked Sweeney and would never vote for him. I also pointed out that the campaign wasnt won on the issues. It was won basically because of an illegal release of confidential information.  

No problem having the state police used because they are on duty anyway? So I guess you wouldnt mind having the state's taxation and finance used for political retribution because afterall, they were on duty anyway. No problem justifying the whole thing with fraudulent foil requests too, I bet. The people plotting and scheming were also on duty.

So, DIA. You have no problem with the state's resourced being used against the political enemies of the steam roller. I always thought that you were one of those left wing idealolical types with that scarey photo of RFK on your study wall. You know the one- where he is looking off somewhere with an expression on his face that makes you wonder what the hell he is looking at.

Now I have to wonder if you are not really a disciple of the Patron Saint of dirty politics.

Saint Richard the Dick.

Lets see, DIA:

  1. You like smear campaigns because you know your candidates cant win on issues. Sex scandles and Mike's stunts. That was a Nixon favorite.  

  2. You take an issue which to a rational person would be seen as a good thing (Higher ethical standards for Republican leadership, for example) and keep beating the drum about how this is a demostration of evil.

Nixon liked to turn virtue into a liability

3) You have no problems using state resources on a political enemies. Nixon had his enemies list.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

wow (none / 0) (#6)
by DIA on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:49:09 AM EST
that was some nice work twisting things around.

I'm not going to bother to address your sillyness but i can honestly say that i would have preferred John Sweeney didn't beat his wife.  

Thank you (none / 0) (#7)
by alfrednewman on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 10:59:26 AM EST
I wish Sweeney wasnt such a swine over all.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
Tom DeLay? (none / 0) (#8)
by Lame Man on Tue Sep 25, 2007 at 06:38:31 PM EST
Tom DeLay?

* thinks it over some more *

Tom DeLay?

I can't wait until ... (none / 0) (#9)
by hawkny on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 02:43:52 AM EST
Tom Delay's good friend from Texas, George W. Bush, gets his comeuppance too!

Likewise, Joe Bruno, as my next paycheck says "he doesn't report his use of public resources" for personal gain in his tax returns either. IMO, this is what Bruno's "shouting and screaming" trooper scenario is all about.

He, Bruno, knows the Feds have access to his tax returns, as part of their investigation of his kick back schemes with Abbruezze, etal.

Lame (none / 0) (#10)
by alfrednewman on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:38:55 AM EST
I couldnt help but to notice that Tom Delay still hasnt been convicted of anything.  Under Democratic rules he would never have had to step down from his leadership post.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
Show me where (none / 0) (#11)
by Lame Man on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 01:25:42 PM EST
in "the Democratic rules" it says what you are saying.

Actually, don't bother.  I don't care about the point you are trying to make.

I will say this.  You are missing the big picture.  DeLay was running his own big machine in the House.  Abramoff, the whole deal.  Read through the stuff in the link.

He was as dirty as they come.

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