Albany Budget - The Joke that keeps giving


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 04:33:20 AM EST

I'm getting tired of being right about everything because what I'm right about is how wrong everything is in Albany. Remember when I said this on November 5th back when we had a full month for the Common Council to address the disasterous budget Mayor Jennings had put forth?
There doesn't appear to be much concern for the overall financial health of the city. So here is what I predict. The common council has until the end of November to make any changes to the proposed budget. At the end of the month they will make some big fuss about not raising parking fines, and they might not raise them. Nothing will be done about the fact that despite raising taxes this year's budget includes a ton of borrowing to "balance" it.
Read it and weep save money for your future skyrocketing tax bills.
With only a few slight changes, the Common Council on Wednesday approved Mayor Jerry Jennings' 2008 budget despite fears it is fiscally unsound.

After the 9-6 vote, City Comptroller Thomas Nitido said the $161.7 million plan puts the city on a path toward wiping out its rainy day funds within a year. In a last-minute letter, the mayor pledged to work with the council on a committee to address its concerns.

The council rejected a proposal to raise parking fines 25 percent. Instead, the council discovered it could add $400,000 in revenue by collecting a $15 surcharge on tickets that has been given to the state. It also budgeted another $250,000 in revenue from a parking ticket amnesty program.
Oh, wait. I was wrong. They did exactly what I said but the Mayor also wrote a last-minute letter. I was wrong because what could be more emblematic of the corrupt leadership and the financial mismanagement than a "last-minute letter". Take a year to write a budget rife with deficit spending, make it all better with a last minute letter. It's too bad that the mayor, who has now pledged to work with the council, got another free ride from the Times Union. Perhaps they could've mentioned he called a council person "crazy" for proposing ways to fill the huge budget gap. Maybe they'll do something last minute, too?

There are more than 9 people on the common council who care about nothing more than those 9 people and whether or not the mayor pats them on the head in the hallways. Six voted against the budget but I'm sure one or two of them just got a free pass from the mayor to look good. I could be wrong about that but as noted above, I've been right about pretty much everything else in this process so I'm going with me on this one.

In closing, I will highlight a comment that will be going into a soon to be written piece about how Albany is run by a bunch of mouthbreathers and how the insane is considered acceptable. Now a quote from the head of the budget committee. ( I'm sorry if you spew coffee or beer on your computer or yell, "what a fucking pathetic coward!" and scare your children when you read this.)
"Don't look for the budget committee to solve your woes and do your work," said Sano, who voted for the plan. "I think we did due diligence."
Indeed. Yes, you read that correctly. The head of the budget committee doesn't think he should have to make any changes to the budget.

Thank you for participating in the budget process.

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Albany Budget - The Joke that keeps giving | 33 comments (33 topical, 0 hidden)
So now what? (none / 0) (#1)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:00:06 AM EST
I attended the meeting; what an education that was.

There's an old saying that people generally get the government they deserve. Last night exactly one Albany citizen spoke to the common council about the budget. He was ignored, of course.

I say again I think an alternative budget should be proposed by the people and presented to the common council. You want the TU to pay attention? That might get them started. It is silly for us to expect the common council to make difficult decisions when there is zero pressure on them to do so.

simple (none / 0) (#2)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:30:13 AM EST
work to elect a new mayor.   Everything else is a waste of time.

what irks me (none / 0) (#3)
by kateb on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:37:21 AM EST

to be straight, is there ARE people on the council with the ability to write a different budget.  Put it out there.

I was dismayed (none / 0) (#4)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 06:57:03 AM EST
I was dismayed to see that even the best members of the council didn't put forth the effort to assemble a different budget and at least put it out there for consideration. I'm not imagining that alternative would have been adopted but it would have been a great way to highlight the problems with the existing one.

I also wonder if O'Brien would have voted differently if an alternative was on the table. He said he voted yes because there was no other option.

It would only take a shift of two votes to have turned down this budget.

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I agree with you (none / 0) (#16)
by kateb on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:12:52 AM EST

There should have been an effort to put forth a different budget and it would have highlighted where the differences are.

I'm not satisfied with dissent.   There needs to be something shown about what they'd do.  

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pressure (none / 0) (#5)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:17:51 AM EST
another thing to remember.   When the citizens tried to change the charter they put in a huge effort to get 3,500 signatures.   There was plenty of press on the issue.  The night of the vote at the common council it was packed, people spilled over out into the hallway.    The council voted it down.

To keep trying to expect this council to behave differently is foolish.

An alternative budget would be nice but I do not believe it would have any real use other than as a symbolic jesture.   If they vote down this budget the mayor will adopt it anyway.  

We've had many symbolic jestures over the years.   And now we are in a deep financial hole and digging fast.    

OK (none / 0) (#6)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:26:23 AM EST
OK, so who is expected to run for mayor? Has anyone openly expressed interest?

Shouldn't a big part of that person's campaign be some specific budget proposals?  

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yes (none / 0) (#7)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:30:39 AM EST
Calsolaro and Nitido's names have both been mentioned as possible candidates.  Both have been vocal about the need to fix our budget.   We have a big election in 2008 that will happen and then I expect people will start to say they are running for the 2009 mayoral election.  

If Obrien wanted to vote on an alternative budget instead of voting against this one,  he should've taken on that responsibility.    

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Agreed (none / 0) (#15)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 09:59:38 AM EST
Agreed, his comment on his vote was logically tortured. I just wonder - if we got one other vote to swing the other way on an alternative, would he join in ?

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I know not that important now but... (none / 0) (#8)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:39:02 AM EST
how can we find out how our council member voted?  I recently have been trading e-mails with Dan Herring (ward 13) and he even dropped by my house to chat with me (I wasn't home).  I am interested to see how he voted as I'd like to put his feet to the fire if he voted for this garbage.  Yeah, I know it would have been symbolic only, but who knows, maybe enough of us become squeaky wheels and we can start the ball rolling on some change (for next year's budget?).  Including getting the folks we want to put up a realistic challenge to King Jennings and the machine in 2009??

voting against (none / 0) (#9)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:55:44 AM EST
calsolaro, smith, fahey, ellis, conti, mclaughlin

Your rep was all for this.  

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Looking forward to an interesting conversation... (none / 0) (#12)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 09:28:45 AM EST
I'll have to track down the "honorable" Mr. Herring and have him stumble his way through a response as to why he voted for this debacle.  I'll let everyone know how that conversation goes...

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Herring was silent (none / 0) (#14)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 09:55:07 AM EST
He never said a word in the formal meeting nor did he participate much in the less formal discussion beforehand. If he said anything at all I missed it....and the room wasn't crowded so I don't think I missed much.

I realize some people's style is to contribute in less public ways - not everyone is comfortable speakling up in a public setting - but that's an odd quality in a politician.

Sano thanked him by name for all his help with the budget.

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Doesn't surprise me... (none / 0) (#17)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:41:54 AM EST
When Mr. Herring dropped by my house to see me and I wasn't there, he spoke to my wife.  She indicated that he seemed uncomfortable and not really that outgoing, which, as you said Tom, odd for a politician.  I've asked him to drop by my place again so I can do a face-to-face.  If this guy is a pushover then I'll know it pretty quickly.  Anyone know when the Council is up for re-election?  

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2009 (none / 0) (#18)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:43:49 AM EST
all council seats, the treasurer and the mayor.  We should try run as many challenges as we can to help turnout in the mayoral race.  

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Agreed... (none / 0) (#19)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:51:03 AM EST
the question is how to identify the right folks to challenge for council seats to upset the "apple cart?" I guess we all have to keep our eyes and ears open for the right people...

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Results of 05 vote (none / 0) (#21)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:25:15 AM EST
You can view the election results from 2005 at:
boardofelections@albanycounty.com

Again, I am a newbie, but what struck me is:

a) Most council members ran without opponents at all, or without serious opponents.

b) In many parts of the city it only takes a few hundred votes to make it. Not everywhere; some wards have over 1,400 people voting and it would be tough to unseat an incumbent. But there are places where a small number of votes would do the job.

Has anyone ever ran as a slate with other potential council members?

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Interesting (none / 0) (#22)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:46:28 AM EST
just looked it up and 6 of the 15 ran unopposed in 2005.  

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citizens action/WFP (none / 0) (#25)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:56:19 PM EST
is the only group that has organized to the point where they can try to run multiple candidates.     In 2005 they got Fahey, Ellis and Smith elected.   if you think common council meetings are painful now you should've been here when Mike Brown was still on the council.    

I imagine they will be trying to run candidates again.  

The green party also has now shown they can be competitive so perhaps they will be running candidates.    

You have to win the dem primary to win the race due to the nature of albany politics.   It ain't gonna happen in a general election.  

When looking for good candidates to run you may have to check the mirror.    

I was told of one candidate who was going to run this time around.    They got a phone call and an offer from the mayor.   The offer was better than the potential elected position and thus was accepted and there was no challenge.   Nothing illegal about it.   But that is how they work.

The most important thing we can do is elect a new independent mayor.  

Where we are compared to where we were at this point 4 years ago is night and day.   But as Jennings gets more desperate, it will get very very ugly.

cheers

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That sounds just peachy. (none / 0) (#30)
by ObnoxioTheClown on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 07:21:50 PM EST
So Citizen Action/WFP will ship in a bunch of union mouthbreathers and NYC money to try to get someone elected. Great.

Seems to this clown that these folks have spent alot of time and energy on things like the schools, and haven't exactly come through with some sort of breakthrough.

And while the council consists of a bunch of spineless weasels, you haven't mentioned what the alternatives are.

Probably 2/3s of the city budget is for public safety -- and those costs are all labor. What would Mayor DIA do about that? Both departments are plenty busy, so laying people off is not going to be a popular move.

Cutting back their benefits (which are lavish) just isn't going to happen -- the contract will go into arbitration, and a budget-cutting mayor will lose.

There are a few things that you could do. You could cut back the benefits of administrative staff that aren't in a bargaining unit.

You could close the golf course - big fucking deal... total golf course expenses probably amounts to 1 police pay period.

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maybe we could hire a clown (none / 0) (#32)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:21:59 PM EST
who would throw up his hands in the air and claim he couldn't do anything and then beg for more state aid...or as we call it, welfare.  

What do you say, clown, willing to do that for $135K a year.  More than you probably are making these days as a mortgage broker.

Reminds me why i don't hire clowns to do work that doesn't involved entertaining children.

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No NO NOO (none / 0) (#29)
by usuallyanobserver on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:47:24 PM EST
I was at the vote also.

Voting "Yes" didn't always mean what it looks like.  As was said, people voting "No" were actually voting for the original budget the mayor proposed.  It was a no-win situation.  The "No" votes in the meeting were people venting their frustration and deciding that it was better to make a statement by possibly voting down the budget than get the few minor changes they were able to make.  No Win for anyone.  If the Nos had won, we would have had the original budget proposed by the mayor.


If you weren't there to see the frustration, you are making a mistake looking at the votes, IMHO.


The REAL stories were things like Joseph Igoe strutting out of the Caucus claiming he was going to vote "No" on the budget because it was a bad budget, and then changing his mind when it looked like his "No" vote might actually matter!  I watched him and it was sickening.


I saw no integrity in that man.

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due diligence rubber stamps (none / 0) (#10)
by DIA on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:19:37 AM EST
What do you think about the idea of getting some rubber stamps that say "Due Diligence" and sending them to our 9 yes voters?

Rubber Stamps (none / 0) (#11)
by Roscoe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 08:46:23 AM EST
Start a campaign to send them all rubbers, condoms, that is, and encourage them, and theirs, not to reproduce, and continue their stupid genes.

And keep sending them.

It's gross, that's part of the message, and it points out the chronicity of stupid stuff in Albany.

Handled properly, it would make national news and be talked about for weeks by the punsters and chatterers.

Ridicule is a great weapon.

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Like it! (none / 0) (#13)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 09:31:04 AM EST
I'd be willing to throw some money into a paypal kitty for that if you decide to move on it.  

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Bad idea (none / 0) (#20)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 11:20:21 AM EST
Yup, that would be funny. But when you're done laughing think about how much it will create sympathy for the very people you're trying to move out of the council, and how much harder you'll make that job.

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The Politics of Sympathy (none / 0) (#23)
by Roscoe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:02:46 PM EST
Yeah Tom P., I can grok your meaning.  After all, what group of people is more sympathetic than politicians?  Particularly in Albany, where most of political food chain is either corrupt, or tainted with corruption.

Yup, gotta watch out for that sympathy vote, Yup, Yup.  Uhuh. Sure.

Maybe you're commenting on negative backlash from negative campaigning? Who's campaigning?

Do you realize (maybe you don't) that most of the people in Albany DON'T vote because there's no one to vote for, and the current state of play is actually decided by a very small number of primary voters?

If a slate of good people, committed to change and the welfare of the people, were on the ballot, would you vote for the status quo so as not to offend the sympathies of thieves and scoundrels?

Come on man, live up to your screen moniker.

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Voters (none / 0) (#24)
by Tom Paine on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 12:15:03 PM EST
I'm going to take a wild guess here that most people don't vote because....'why bother?'. And many of those who do aren't particularly well-informed. People who actually get into this are a tiny minority.

So in that context, getting labeled as the guy who mails condoms to people he doesn't like is like running a marathon carrying a case of beer on your shoulder. Good for a laugh but then it'll be a real drag.

Yeah, 'sympathy' was perhaps the wrong word to use in my post above, but I hope I've explained better what I meant. If you were given the choice of two people you knew nothing about, except one of them pulled off a junior-high prank, who would you vote for?

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clarification... (none / 0) (#26)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 01:58:37 PM EST
to clarify, I liked DIA's rubber stamp idea, not Roscoe's condom idea...

Mak

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Voters (none / 0) (#27)
by Roscoe on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:01:30 PM EST
Sounds to me like you might be thinking of running.  Good for you.  In the context of an election, which is a long ways off, you are right, of course.

I will wager that the slugs in the local political soup will, however, direct many whisper campaigns and slander campaigns and ugly criminal political behavior at your contemplated campaign, so that when you're done, and perhaps win, you'll realize that mailing rubber stamps or condoms was, as Albany goes, a clean tactic, playful even, as compared to those undertaken by people who have a lot to lose, and even more to hide.  

beginning to get my feet wet... (none / 0) (#28)
by makome on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 02:12:50 PM EST
I just moved to Albany in March and while I have lived in the area most of my life I was not as accutely aware of what was going on in Albany until I moved here...which makes sense to a degree.  Now that I see what is going on I can also see why folks are intimidated by the people and the process (the machine eats them up and spits them out).  Change is hard and we need tough-skinned folks to lead the charge. Those are hard to come by.  We have a lot of time between now and the next election, hopefully the right people emerge from the "muck."  I would also hope that the residents are reaching a breaking point with the machine...although that may be wishful thinking.    

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So I take it the Mayor gets his raise? (none / 0) (#31)
by Jim Travers on Thu Nov 29, 2007 at 10:03:31 PM EST
Anyone attending either or both notice if there was any mention of the $20 million they're borrowing to expand the Rapp Road Landfill?

By the time election 09 comes around the city's finances will be under the control of a fiscal control board.

It's time to start organizing, motivating the non-voters into action.

There have been good turnouts in the past for 'take back the night', so why not have  a 'take back our government' Power to the People night?

Sounds good (none / 0) (#33)
by Tom Paine on Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 06:27:57 AM EST
I would be on board with that. But after the one night it needs to be a relentless, week-after-week, no-letup-on-this-mess effort.

A little theatre in the common council meetings wouldn't hurt either. Next meeting is this monday.

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