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By DIA, Section News
Posted on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 03:49:02 AM EST

Well the state's financial outlook doesn't look too rosy. And the city's is just plain ugly as Jennings continues to borrow against our future. So here is something to consider.
The budget includes a $9 million gap between expenses and revenue, Council President Pro Tempore Richard Conti said.
This year we are borrowing $9 million to fund a budget that included a tax increase of 4%. So, to balance the budget we would have to come up with an extra $9 million a year. Now let's take a look at how we plan to fund that convention center.
Jennings lobbied state officials to amend the agreement covering payments in lieu of taxes -- PILOTS -- to give the city this year $22.85 million in PILOTS instead $16.85 million. Next year, the city will receive the same $22.85 million instead of $16.1 million that had been scheduled.

The convention center legislation signed in June included $22.85 million a year until 2010, city officials said. Then, starting in 2011, it drops to $15 million a year through 2033, and those funds will assist in defraying the debt service on the hotel portion of the convention center complex. Until then, the PILOT money goes into the operating budget for city expenses
So, based on current legislation, in 2011 we will lose $8 million a year in state funding. And the remaining $15 million a year of state funding will go to the convention center first and we will get any leftovers. So, on our current path, we are looking at a $17 million shortfall in 2011 with another $15 million of funding tied up in the convention center. Enjoy solving that problem.

But we've got a hell of a golf course.
The city spends $1.1 million for the golf course and just under $800,000 for teen centers, she said: "Those figures say a lot."

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Valley of the Pigs (none / 0) (#1)
by Roscoe on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 04:55:38 AM EST
If the City Council does not act before November 30 to sharply curtail spending in this budget,  and blow up the Convention Center ruse, even if it is by judicial means, then we need to work against the re-election of all of them.  

If the City Council does not act, then we, The People, must act to save our city.

indeed (none / 0) (#2)
by DIA on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 04:59:24 AM EST
The current council has never challenged the mayor on anything.   We have a few people willing to talk sense (Calsolaro chief among them) but they are always outvoted.

Things to do: New mayor, new council.  

Other things to do:  New Treasurer.

Start by hammering our City Council members... (none / 0) (#3)
by makome on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 05:55:56 AM EST
I just sent off a note to Dan Herring (Ward 13) asking him how he plans on addressing these issues. As a constituent in his ward I demanded to know where he stood on these things.  If these people don't hear from us nothing going to change.  The problem is raising enough of a fuss to actually make these people get up a take notice.  

Hey DIA (none / 0) (#4)
by alfrednewman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 05:59:47 AM EST
How come no comments about the police union calling for Morris to resign?

As the police union apparently hates her shouldn't she go out the door with Tuffy?

Or is it only relevant when the police union hates their boss?

"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

oh (none / 0) (#8)
by DIA on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 10:06:43 AM EST
you mean the head of the police union called on her to resign because Brian Scavo knocked on her door and asked her 17 year old daughter out on a date and she said that was inappropriate?   So, i guess, like Mesley, you support this type of behavior?

A question for you.   How young would the girl have to be before you thought Morris had a legitimate point?   16?   13?  

Are you also a fan of Scavo's illegal tax exemptions?

I never said the police chief should resign because the cops don't like him.  I said he should resign because he lied to cover up an illegal machine gun racket within the APD.    And lied to cover up two other instances of illegality within the force.  

No comments on the budget?   Hoping Brian Scavo is going to lower your taxes?

     

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Hey Al (none / 0) (#5)
by albany layman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:12:24 AM EST
Could you post a more irrelevant comment?  Is that possible?

Layman (none / 0) (#6)
by alfrednewman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 07:12:45 AM EST
Well, actually, yes I could post a more irrelevant comment.  

I could post a diary entry that takes issue with how other posters react to a fluff piece written in a local weekly and miss the points of the comments made.

I could also post a reply questioning the relevancy of a post without understanding that it was part of a long and continuing dialog about the conduct of the police union leadership vis a vi the city leadership.

So, yes, I can be more irrelevant, so thanks for asking.

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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you are trolling (none / 0) (#7)
by albany layman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 09:33:05 AM EST
And by that, I mean trying to hijack a comment thread.  DIA's post is about the city's finances.  Your comment is about rhetorical sniping between two union heads and a council member, completely unrelated to the city's finances.

And you're still doing it, but trying to bait me about a diary entry that, again, is unrelated to the city's finances.

So - why don't you want to talk about the city's finances?

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Dominick failed to mention the $20 Million (none / 0) (#9)
by Jim Travers on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 03:21:18 PM EST
the mayor is borrowing over the next two years to pay for the expansion of the Rapp Road Landfill.

$20 million!

DIA (none / 0) (#10)
by alfrednewman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 04:04:45 PM EST
I think that Shawn Morris is 100% correct pointing out the inappropriate conduct of a candidate. A 50 year old asking a 17 year old out on a date?    Personal conduct like this goes to the fitness and character of Mr Scavo.  I also met a former tenant of his and it doesn't sound like I would want Scavo as my landlord or neighbor.

And yes, it bothers me to know that he is taking illegal exemptions.  Again, it's the character and fitness.

So, in the end I, guess that character and personal conduct matters. I wonder how many of the people who are rightly disgusted by Scavo's reported conduct defended William Jefferson Clinton after it came out that he was getting blown by a horse?  

The election of Brian Scavo is a good example of what is really the matter with Albany being a one party town.  No offense to the Green Party, but they are not really capable capturing the center during the election and now we have County Legislator Scavo.    

Is it appropriate for the police union to call for Shawn Morris to resign?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

appropriate (none / 0) (#12)
by DIA on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 05:29:52 PM EST
based on christian mesley's past performance I can ascertain that he gives no consideration as to whether his behavior is "appropriate".    

This latest example is another indication of how the police union thinks (or at least Mesley thinks) they control this town.    That has to change.  Since, at the very least, they don't live here.    

You seem to think the union doesn't like Tuffey because how he has been "cracking down" on them.   How is that new "if i'm drunk at work it is my responsibility to report that to my superiors" policy that Tuffey implemented working out?   Tuffey has done nothing to reign in the union.   But he's got you fooled.   They hate him because he's an asshole and it sucks to have an asshole for your boss.

I have repeatedly said the police union needs to be challenged.   I also think Tuffey, appointed by Jennings, is a serial liar, former head of the union (perhaps that is where Mesley learned how to lie), and bad for Albany.  

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Layman (none / 0) (#11)
by alfrednewman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 05:06:48 PM EST
Layman:

You got me. I'm a Troll trying to keep everyone from discussing the state of the city budget.

DIA recently said that he was bringing in help and I think its great that he has brought you in to make a determination of what is relevant on a thread.  You really are truly a credit to the traditional Albany Democratic process.  DIA, good job bringing in muscle to police our democratic discussion.  Corning would be so proud.  

Here I thought you were going to bring back a firebrand like Mike Stark to keep up the discussion and instead here is Albany Layman, the blogging equivalent on a hall monitor to make sure we all stick to the relevant discussion.  

You did, DIA, bring this guy on board, right? Or is Mr Hall Monitor one of those new know it alls who think they have the right to make everyone conform to their way of thinking and doing things?

As its been a long time since I crossed a hall monitor whats the punishment.  Do I have to delete computer files now that cleaning chalk board is so obsolete?

So Mr Layman Hall Monitor, lets discuss the budget.   Um. Its big.  Its bloated. There are 75 slots open and no one noticed that the jobs were empty.  Maybe the Common Coun....

Screw it.

Why bother?

The Common Council doesn't have any power because they don't want any.  That's what the whole charter reform garbage was about.  So why bother talking about a budget when the people who are supposed to be reviewing it determined that they shouldn't have a say?  

If the council was at all concerned with the budget problem they could force the issue.  And because they won't its safe for the members to posture.  Sounds great. Means nothing. Yea!

So, Mr Hall Monitor, answer me this, was the last two paragraphs above relevant to the thread because they show the futility of discussing the budget or are they just another attempt to provoke you into making more trolling comments?  

Hey Jim- a stupid question, has anyone done a study to show the financial viability of mining a garbage dump for plastics?  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

al-so (none / 0) (#13)
by DIA on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:40:34 PM EST
hey al, remember when you denounced the efforts for charter reform?   Those crazy citizens doing what was rightfully theirs were no friends of yours, were they?

There are members of the common council working on behalf of the people.  Calsolaro, Ellis, Smith.    You don't seem to like them.   Care to shed some light on that?

Your boy who is the current mayor was a hall monitor before he got the job as your mayor.   Perhaps Albany Layman has a bright future?  

Funny how you now are a big fan of Mike Stark's.   Very funny.

We don't need any firebrands.   We might offend Obnoxio the Clown (still absent since i sent him running away with his tail between his legs when we discussed Merrill Lynch and i made him out to be the ignorant ass he is) or maybe your other friend Al (Also 0-2 against me when it comes to the facts).   You like firebrands because you can avoid the issues.  I'm all about facts. Get used to Albany Layman calling you out on your stupid shit (and you know your post today was just plain dumb).

Facts are on our side.  Jennings is a loser.   Tuffey is a liar.  Convention center is a disaster.   Budget is a bigger disaster.

Want to make yourself look good and do a post questioning why a few million from the IDA is going to fill gaps in the city budget?  

If you don't, i'll take up the slack.

We were talking about the budget, Al, care to join in or want to keep wishing mike stark was still around?

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DIA (none / 0) (#14)
by alfrednewman on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 10:51:25 PM EST

Once again, I publicly admit that I was wrong on charter reform.  I also publicly stated that it is time to revisit the issue.  I believe that I also credited you for opening my eyes on the issue.  I live. I learn.  

I don't think I have said anything about Smith.  I don't know enough about her to have an opinion.  As for Ellis, I think that he is ineffective.  He may have been a successful New York attorney but his jumping on the abandoned building band wagon AFTER his relatives house was demolished hit me as political opportunism.

He didn't produce anything that indicated that he gave a damn before the cameras were set up. Didn't produce a shred of evidence that he tried to intercede on behalf of those poor folks. No letters were produced. No indication that he made any phone calls.  Nothing from the council member that represented them that Ellis tried to do a damn thing.  If my uncle told me that they had problems with an adjacent house I would have been all over codes and made a big public stink.  Any letters to the editor that I missed? And stories in the Metroland? Any phone calls to code enforcement?  So did Ellis care before the problem made the press?  

His publicity stunt about the vacant property list also shows that he isn't very well informed. I also read a copy of the vacant property report and had someone clarify what the definitions meant after I had the same questions.  Clearly he either didn't understand the report or didn't bother to ask what criteria was used.  I made a phone call. He apparently did not.

Maybe he is just getting his feet wet politically. Lets see what he does in the future. In this post, and earlier, I have admitted that my opinion has changed with regards to charter reform.  Maybe in a few months I will be posting that I have changed my opinion regarding him. Lets hope so.  An effective common council member is good for all of us.  

As for Calsolaro, I am not sure what to think. I do appreciate that he is open to dialog and will take the time to respond to questions.  I hope that he develops into a true community leader and will lead the charge in protecting the citizens of our fair city from the scourge of bad government.  But words do not necessarily equal action.  As the anti-Jennings faction is supposed to be in charge of the Common Council I have to wonder why there hasn't been a more aggressive attempt to reign in expenses and to AUDIT the city departments and authorities to see if the money is being spent wisely or if the tax dollars are being wasted or, frankly, stolen.  

As for Layman.  I welcome discussion, although if someone is going to say I am off topic on this board it should be you, my friend, not him.   Your blog and you are not exactly shy about telling people to stick on topic, are you?

I when I was typing my response to Layman I was actually thinking about one of the school board candidates calling Jennings a glorified hall monitor and was going to say that maybe Layman had a good future. But then I recalled that the candidate who called Jennings that had a city owned dump truck "accidentally" back up onto the hood of his Saturn the night of the debate.  

My post today was a poor attempt at humor. Its been a long week so far. Again, you tell me that I should stick to the threat then I will listen.  I do look forward to Layman calling me out.  Again, any discussion in this town is a good thing.  

I hadn't really noticed that the clown was gone.  I will have to go back and see what I missed. I do miss Mike. No question. I do not agree with his tactics but I do admire his energy.  

As for the budget, now that I am on task, I have to wonder why the Common Council has not demanded that the city departments and authorities, like the IDA, be audited.

We have witnessed city employees scrapping city owned property for cash. Has any of our elected officials demanded to know what these people were scrapping? Did they simply go into a store room and grab stuff off the shelf and convert it into cash? Did they strip out the copper from the city owned properties?  

In the private sector everything has to be accounted for. If there is a budget gap then the belt gets tightened and ways of making the company run more efficiently are found.   Has, anyone other than Calsolaro, questioned why the city of Albany has more municipal employees per capita then any other city in Upstate New York???  

So here are three more questions.  

  1. Has anyone bothered to calculate what the property tax gifts that the IDA has given to the rich developers has cost the tax payers?

  2. Can anyone explain why the per unit cost of redeveloping Park South is so damned expensive?

  3. If the gold course is costing us 1.1 million dollars (or more appropriately loosing 1.1 million dollars) then why the hell is it still open?  It seems to me that the property would be a larger benefit to the tax payers of Albany if the damn thing was sold to developers so they could build those cheesy tract houses. Albany could then rake in the money from the sale, rake in taxes from the houses built, and stop loosing a million bucks in the process.  

And no, I am not a golfer. If I were I would join Wolferts roost. http://www.wolfertsroost.com/
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
Thugs Rising (none / 0) (#15)
by Roscoe on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 06:06:38 AM EST

The interesting thing about the Scavo election, and the Police Union tongue-lashing of City Council President Shawn Morris, is that it indicates a further phase shift as to public behavior by public figures,  manipulation of the electoral process, and the public's apparent acceptance of these incidents.  The hue and cry can barely be heard.

When these incidents are coupled with the ever-increasing pig wallow that the Proposed Convention Center ruse has become, the landfill caper, the Water Department caper, the Park South caper, and now the 2008 budget caper, it is clear that the thugs and thieves are back in full control.  

The old days are fully here again.

There could not be a more sorry display of political irresponsibility, civic irresponsibility, and theft of the public purse under color of law, in a small city, anywhere.  As each theft is concluded, and the swine retire to a manicured public golf course to revel with the rest of the swells, magically, a new, even bolder scam is conjured, sent to the compliant chatterers and scribes in the press, murmured about by the courtiers and jokesters at City Hall, and viola! -- even more of the public purse ends up in private pockets, for no real work, in a city in final and tragic financial implosion.  

And as the swells frolic, and send forth their goon to chide the righteous in support of a fool,  all of the energy which could go toward helping the people of the city, the children of the city, is wasted on greed, backstabbing and scheming.

Is there a two thirds majority on the city council that gives a damn about this city, whatever they've been paid and told to think?  Or will they all look back soon upon themselves as those who have also tragically failed this city?

Well..... (none / 0) (#16)
by hawkny on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 07:44:51 AM EST
Jerry's watering hole as at Albany muni...

and, Johnny D. needs justification for his $80K annual salary

Nuff said!

Don't lose track of the fact (none / 0) (#17)
by kateb on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 09:38:49 AM EST
it's complex, not united.  For example, living here I didn't see evidence the mayor backed Scavo, in fact I heard he doesn't like him.  The police unions are not the Albany establishment.  Yes, they have some tactics, some push back, some favorite ways to behave.  I bet we could all fill in the blanks for them.   I don't mean this as disrespect, because they do what they see as their job.  But they are not the Albany leadership.

Don't lose track of it being complex.  It's nowhere near as pre-ordained as people think.  Change can and does happen.   Stop being cowered by  it.

I agree with Roscoe's #15 comment (none / 0) (#18)
by Jim Travers on Wed Nov 21, 2007 at 10:19:16 AM EST
btw, a great line: "And as the swells frolic, and send forth their goon to chide the righteous in support of a fool,  all of the energy which could go toward helping the people of the city, the children of the city, is wasted on greed, backstabbing and scheming."

Not to get too distracted but I also feel the union was wrong to interpret Ms. Morris's comment as 'threatening' is laughable. The Common Council president, whether she's a mother of a child has who Scavo's hassled or not, she had every right to be concerned about the city's police union endorsing a candidate for a county election especially one as unfit for holding public office as Scavo is, Tax Cheater of Veterans' Real Property Benefits and botherer of inappropriately young and other women.

The union should be embarrassed to support such a candidate and should have understood Ms. Casey's comment, about their endorsing such a poor choice of candidate as Scavo would come back to bite them in the ass, was nothing more than educational in context and was based upon pure common sense.

Well, at least I know now a little better than before that some of those who willed this endorsement into being are acting no less the bullies than has been the chief they so admire,  Tuffey.

Al, in #14 you had some contradictory statements and also some that play the revisionist's role in skewing history to your liking.

Sadly you've underestimated and undervalue Correy Ellis' work and impact. Sometimes a tragedy opens many peoples eyes to the surroundings they've become all too comfortable with seeing it unchanged perpetually, except for the worse.

Just because people are related, it doesn't mean that communicate often and even if they did how many uncles do you know that would discuss their fiscal and other hardships with their nephews?

He did ask for a better understanding of the vacant building report, but his FOIL request was at first denied. He reformatted his request and I believe it has since been granted, but I cannot confirm this to be so.

Ellis has gotten his feet wet, Al. He's jumped in with both feet and trying his best to help not only his constituents, but the city in general.

Your comment about Calsolaro is one of your contradictory statements.

"I hope that he develops into a true community leader and will lead the charge in protecting the citizens of our fair city from the scourge of bad government.  But words do not necessarily equal action."

Al, you'd be run over by the band wagon because you didn't recognize it's leader marching ahead.

Name one council member who has been more out front about the many unpleasant problems facing the city than Dominick Calsolaro. Just one, Al.

Mr. Calsolaro and Mr. Ellis are the faces of our city's leaders who know doing the right thing is essential to the city's survival. There are others who are with them and also deserve credit: Ms. Smith, Ms. Morris and Ms. Fahey are a few who immediately come to mind. More will need to join in or risk being put out of office come election time.

You should offer to help Ellis, rather than stand by and criticize from the sidelines. He's serious and so should you be.

"As the anti-Jennings faction is supposed to be in charge of the Common Council I have to wonder..." Well Al, I have to wonder too, where'd you get this bit of Newman insight from, the Common Council's voting record?

The Golf Course is within stumbling distance to Hiz Onerous one's suburban dwelling.

On another note, financial in nature, If Jennings puts forth a plan to privatize the Rapp Road Landfill, to sell it off to the highest bidder,
remember this:

"Former Mayor and Chief Financial Officer for the City of Albany Jerry Jennings has been sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison after admitting to securities and bank fraud charges. Jennings was accused of artificially inflating earnings in 1998, 1999, 2000 and each year since
to meet Wall Street analysts' expectations and to meet earnings targets that were set when the limit was raised on the Dump's annual intake of garbage."

"Albany filed for bankruptcy in 2010."

The above scenario is obviously fiction, set far off in the future, and has no truth to it at all, does it?

Beware of any plan that Jennings puts forth because it seems all he has has cost you  more than you can afford.

A mayor's a chief financial officer, isn't he?
 

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