Evangelical Atheism


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:25:51 AM EST

I don't like to talk about religion on this blog as we've got enough trouble just discussing politics. But this amused me.
The Rev. David Corlett calls it "evangelical atheism." He applies the catchphrase to several recent best-sellers that condemn religion.
Now it is important to fight back against atheists. Because you know what the first President Bush said about atheists.
No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
Should not be considered citizens. So its good that this pastor is fighting back. Fighting for religion is important. We must keep fighting and fighting and teach these atheists a lesson.

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yup, and all that crap (none / 0) (#1)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:43:45 AM EST

leads to things like theocracy in Smallbany and Catholics thinking they have the inherent right to deny others their constitutional rights, and a POLICE CHIEF going along with that, with a mayor's blessing.

Then 15 criminal acts of retaliation for saying the police chief was wrong.

Oh what a wonderful life we have as one nation under God.....what excuses we make.

Whats that smell? (none / 0) (#2)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 10:36:46 AM EST
Oh, right, that is the smell of intolerant bigots.

Its the Catholics, isn't it Kate. We are all out to get you.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Watch it Alfie (none / 0) (#3)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:42:10 AM EST
Your paranoia and conspiracy theories are taking over again.

Good thing you never went into law enforcement.  We'd be reading about you in the news.

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with all do respect Kate (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:39:25 PM EST
Im not the one who is posting criptic messages about the Mayor, the Police Chief, the Bishop, the FBI, having people shooting guns out under my window and getting bad service at restaurants on New Scotland Avenue.

Im also not the one who posted anti Catholic messages here.

Face it Kate- you should go back on your meds.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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No respect (none / 0) (#6)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:46:39 PM EST
You're bad mouthing the very hard working investigators who don't buy into your conspiracy theories and delusions, thinking you have some great Alfie crystal ball and know everything.  You know nothing about their work.  Sorry, buddy, for your paranoia.

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Well Kate (none / 0) (#8)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:17:41 PM EST
You want to paint all Catholics as part of some evil conspiracy. And I am happily Roman Catholic.

It sounds like you are a bigot.

Its freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Deal with it.

I dont try to thump you with my bible, so stop lumping us all together. Thank you.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Good for you (none / 0) (#10)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:21:15 PM EST

As a Catholic myself, I have no fear of pointing out our failures, and there are many.  In theocratic Albany, it is a tendency to believe our comfort matters more than other people's constitutional rights.   Is it every Catholic?   Seems to me I would have noticed if every Catholic in Albany was there.  It only takes one, but in this case there were dozens, actually Corp Counsel said they got hundreds of calls of complaint from Catholics who thought they had special privileges.  Corp Counsel knew they didn't have special privileges, but Chief James Tuffey let Catholic comfort trump the U.S. Constitution, with the blessing of Mayor Jennings.

That's old news.   Now we're holding them accountable for obstruction of justice.

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P.S. (none / 0) (#34)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:01:07 PM EST
I especially liked it when Catholic war veterans stopped by and encouraged us, whether they agreed or not.  This is what I fought for, they consistently said, every single one who encouraged us.  I was really touched that they could have the conversation, people to people, stopping by with coffee and bagels, I passed by and saw you here, each of them said, and wanted to honor your right.

It was just too hard to wrap my head around when a guy who just came back from Iraq came over to chew Mark out, and stopped short when he saw Mark's Army Ranger hat, special forces, his work in the past.

We people.....

Every so often I wonder if I'm related to one of the goons that's harassing me, and neither of us knows it yet.  Smallbany.

One of my brothers played softball with Jim Tuffey for years, and in a man's world that makes them friends.

Anyway, life happens, and we find ourselves in unexpected places.

If Chief Tuffey stays a long time, I hope he does a better job recognizing bad information.

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News Flash... (none / 0) (#4)
by Jim Travers on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:06:39 PM EST
After twelve years in office Mayor of Albany Jerry Jennings has tired of his title and will retire the term 'mayor'.

He has issued an official proclamation that all must now address him as "His Holiness".

Jennings' feeling is that 'His Holiness' is a much more apt description of his position during his tenure...

...due to the condition he's left the pockets of his citizens in.

CORRECTION:

So sorry! That's a typo on my part.

In place of the 'n' in holiness, please substitute an 'm'.

The corrected line should read:

His Holimess. The last line is correct.  

Great coverage (none / 0) (#7)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 12:50:23 PM EST

of the News Flash, Jim!  You got the story right!

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Kateb, don't let Al's comments upset you. (none / 0) (#9)
by Jim Travers on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 01:33:14 PM EST
I heard on NPR that today is "Free Thinkers Day", in honor and remembrance of Thomas Paine.

Allow Al him his day.

When I first heard it reported, I actually thought it was "Three Fingers Day".

DIA, I know you often listen to NPR, too, probably to hear all of Chartok's words of wisdom, no doubt. Were you listening today?

DIA? DIA? uh oh, I think he must have misheard it, too.

Maybe Al did, too.

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He's not upsetting me (none / 0) (#11)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 02:25:38 PM EST

But I wouldn't call his thinking "free".

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Nice to know (none / 0) (#12)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 03:52:50 PM EST
Rather ironic that a man who is partially responsible for the independence of our republic was against the very religion that caused its settlement, is the basis of our laws and our society.  

"These are the times that try men's souls."  

How true.

Its also ironic that the very people who claim to be the "free thinkers" of today tend to be the most narrow minded, self righteous hypocrites that demand that others give up their rights.

Oh of course Kate doesn't think I am a free thinker- because I don't agree with her when she says things like "yup, and all that crap
leads to things like theocracy in Smallbany and Catholics thinking they have the inherent right to deny others their constitutional rights, and a POLICE CHIEF going along with that, with a mayor's blessing.... Oh what a wonderful life we have as one nation under God.....what excuses we make."

Kate raises the specter of Anti-Catholism that seems to be more in appropriate in the Albany of the 1840s and 1850s.

"Catholics thinking they have the inherent right to deny others their constitutional rights."  

Maybe Kate thinks that the laws that allow people to worship their God without being harassed shouldn't apply to Catholics.  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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We Catholics (none / 0) (#17)
by kateb on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 11:05:47 PM EST

in Smallbany like to think we get a free pass.   If that doesn't include you, don't be so defensive.

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I was wondering how long it (none / 0) (#19)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 05:29:18 AM EST
would take you to correct that Kate.

See you usually refer to Catholics as if you are not part of the Church.  Its OK that you are not a Catholic, Kate. And Kate, its also OK to be an Anti-Catholic bigot. You should be happy with who you are.  

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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It's your defensiveness (none / 0) (#20)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 06:42:09 AM EST

that's shining.  I wonder why.

See, when Alfie's crsytal ball is challenged, and when Alfie is challenged for thinking he knows more than investigators on the scene, what does Alfie do?

Alfie turns to calling people names, like a little boy.

Have a nice day sweetie.

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Thanks Kate (none / 0) (#22)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:16:37 AM EST
Its a nice day out and I think I will take my crystal ball over to get cleaned.

I keep seeing these visions of the Bishop and the Mayor holding court at the Cathedral plotting a theorcratic cabol here in Albany and some lunitic running around thinking that everyone is out to get her.

I told a friend of mine about these visions and she thinks it would make a great Sci-fi channel movie and is working up a script for it.  To ruin the ending its all a dream sequence brought on by the realization  she is irrelevant and she has no life.

The working title is "Burning Bridges makes a dark life"
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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wish you were (none / 0) (#24)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:34:06 AM EST

a fly on the wall at 200 McCarty Ave.

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Funny (none / 0) (#26)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 09:08:55 AM EST
That would mean that I was a bug in an FBI office!

I was an intern with the New York State Department of State once- under the reign of King Coumo the First. As a matter of fact I was the only under 60 male on my floor at 162 Washington Avenue- where the Sec of State's office was at the time and I was on her floor.  

One day this big scary looking guy showed up in Army fatigues with a large backpack and- because the receptionist and other secretaries were terrified of the guy, he was escorted to *my* desk and was told that I would be able to take his statement to give to the Secretary of State.

I was asked to keep him talking until someone from his group home was abe to come and retrieve him. (And yes, I did put this whole thing on my internship "what I did today" report).

I heard this fantastic story about how these alien creatures were invading our state and how they had- with the help of certain elected officials (implying the President of the United States) were in alliance with these creatures and how he and some general were tasked to save the world. He talked about troop positions, tactical situations and fifth column elements.

This went on for 20- 30 min and I was terrified. I thought that he was going to flip out and attack me. This was pre X-files.

Im not sure why I am reminded of this story. I just am.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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i rest my case (none / 0) (#13)
by DIA on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:04:19 PM EST
see why i don't get into my views on religion on this blog?

But I do have one question.  Al, do you think Bush was properly interpreting the constitution when he said athiests shouldn't be allowed to be citizens?  

No I do not. (none / 0) (#14)
by alfrednewman on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 04:32:39 PM EST
I do not think that George H.W. Bush was properly interpreting the Constitution on religion or just about anything else.

Of course athiests should be allowed to be citizens.  But just they do not have the right to deny me my God.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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DIA (none / 0) (#18)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:25:54 AM EST

in theocratic Smallbany, religion is part of the politics.

Ask Fred LeBrun.

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Evangelical Atheism (none / 0) (#15)
by hawkny on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:05:49 PM EST
In the absence of "true believers" clergy, like the good Reverend Corlett, would have to find another line of work....
However, the nice thing about the USA is that he has the right to "fight" to protect his turf (and his job, I might add)...
As history shows, this has not always been the case in other "Christian countries".  Just ask the Pilgrams, the Mennonites, the Mormons, the Jews etc...Their "two cents worth" meant nothing in the countries they migrated from.
As for George Bush #41...he, like John McCain, has said and will say anything, to anyone, if it helps out in the polls...

sweet (none / 0) (#16)
by DIA on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 05:50:58 PM EST
unfortunately while atheists have the right to be citizens, they really have no shot at getting elected.  Its tough to be a politician if you won't say the pledge of allegiance or you don't like to drop a "god bless america" frequently.  

However atheists are not alone here.  Any morman who thinks they can be president is crazy.  Yeah, i'm looking at you Mitt.   A woman...maybe.   Black guy...long shot.  Morman...no way.  

THE BIGGER PICTURE (none / 0) (#21)
by nitevision on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 07:37:38 AM EST
It is disturbing to read some of these rants.  If you are a Christian and are familiar with your bible, then you would know that Jesus never preached a gospel of hatred.

We have nationally known fundamentalist conservative preachers who consistently preach hatred.  Jerry Fawell, Pat Robinson, D. James Kennedy are but a few.  Their words & actions make them Christian jihadists, just as dangerous as Muslim jihadists.  They have attempted to control our political landscape.  They condemn Catholics, Jews and all those who do not accept their views.  On national TV, Pat Robinson called for the assassination of a foreign president and recently portrayed as a psychic who can predict weather.  All religious fanatics should be condemned.  Incorrectly, we view all Muslims in the same light. Each day we read of Muslim jihadists killing innocent people in their attempt for domination in the middle east.  Clearly their goal is eventual world domination.

I find Kate's attack of the police chief and Catholics ridiculous.  America is a pluralistic society where anyone can worship or not as they please. Remember, it was this woman who had her phone disconnected allegedly because of harassing calls.  Apparently even her own lawyer won't take her calls. She rants against the police who apparently have grown tired of her delusional behavior.  Al, you're right, she should get back on her meds.  I can only hope that patients at CDPC don't have Internet access.

You're wrong about a lot (none / 0) (#23)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:24:29 AM EST
but go to the source.  It's easier.  And send them to the psycho ward you should be in.

There's the DA who investigated and asked the court to dismiss the false arrest made by APD Chief James Tuffey.  The DA is David Soares.

There's the Judge who agreed that the false arrest made by Chief James Tuffey should be dismissed.  The Judge is Hon. Rachel Kretser.

There's the FBI Albany regional office, covering upstate NY and Vermont, that looked at the facts and decided to take this on for an investigation, even with their huge load of work.

There is the very hard working APD detective who says the evidence now amounts to obstruction of justice.

There is again the DA's office, always available to offer guidance and assistance.

So do you want them all in your psycho ward?

Look at yourself, and your need to slander people who make you U N C O M F O R T A B L E.  

It is a peculiar Albany problem, especially among us Catholics.

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P.S. (none / 0) (#25)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:59:14 AM EST
To correct your lies, because we're all too busy to look it up.....

  1.  No one interfered with Catholic worship, and no one alleged that.  The Judge says that doesn't include the road.  Chief Tuffey broke the law and the US Constitution because he wanted to.  Chief Turley had followed the law, as most cops do.

  2.  My telephone was not disconnected because of harassing telephone calls.  That's a total creation of your slanderous imagination.

  3.  My attorney was the first one to spot the retaliation.  We get along fine.

I said before I had a hunch you work for the police union.  Lies come too easily.

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Nite (none / 0) (#27)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 09:31:12 AM EST
Can you get me a job with the police union?  Im great at humming "look for the union lable" and can play the theme to Dragnet on a trumpet.

And, best of all, my pop was a local president for the Irish Mob. Opps, sorry, CSEA.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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OPS head (none / 0) (#28)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 09:59:37 AM EST

came from the police union.

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Kateb - you go girl (none / 0) (#29)
by nitevision on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:00:38 AM EST
I'll be the first to criticize the cops when they screw up (and they certainly have in recent years).  I also have little use for their union president.

Cops have to enforce the laws are written.  They don't decide what to enforce and what not to. Is Tuffey perfect? Nope, I happen to agree with many that he can be a bully. I'm still waiting to see if the changes he implimented will work.  If not, you'll hear me screaming.

Kateb, my poor delussional friend, judging by the number of your posts one can easily conclude that you have way too much time on your hands.  Let me remind you that YOU are the one who can't resist taking a shot at the cops who won't continue to tolerate your bizzare behavior.  It's not the cops.  It's space aliens wearing police uniforms. Let me also remind you that it was YOU who posted about disconnecting your phone because the police wouldn't solve your imaginary problems.  It was also YOU who wrote that your attorney fluffed you off and said call the cops. Seems he didn't want to get involved.

I really enjoyed you referring to your hero, Turley.  That guy is a PUBLICLY ADMITTED LIAR.  Wasn't it Turley in league with the union president who illegally obtained internet information and then tried to lie about it.  Colonie just paid big bucks for a similar stunt.  Jennings should have fired both of them on the spot.

And now, Ta-Da !!! we have the Catholic bishop and the police chief leading armed hoards of their faithful through the streets of Albany demanding that everyone convert.  I must have missed it on the 6 o'clock news.  Kateb, dear lady, I only have two words for you, Koo - Koo.

Cops (none / 0) (#30)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:08:10 AM EST

Taking a shot at them?  

YOU are the one doing that.

Thinking you -- like Alfie -- got a crystal ball there, and dismissing the work of hard working investigators from three different law enforcement offices.

All you can do is slander people, because the facts are against you.  I'm sorry about your delusions, and the time you spend obssessd with them.

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You're Wrong Kateb (none / 0) (#31)
by nitevision on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:49:02 AM EST
I do not have a crystal ball.  Alfie lets me use his when he is off playing the trumpet.

I never knock hard working cops, only the ones who screw up and some idotic administrators like your buddy Turley.  You know, the same ones who won't kiss your butt every time you whine about UFO's.  Funny how you didn't respond to your earlier postings being exposed.

Take a nap sweetheart, I have work to do. You have turned this discussion into an anti Catholic, anti police chief rant. What's next? The Irish will rise up and drive the rest of us out of the city. Three different police agencies, OK I'll make you a bet that I could get three different shrinks to say that you are certifiable.

there you go again (none / 0) (#32)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:58:34 AM EST

sorry you're so hard up for entertaining yourself.

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Entertaining yourself (none / 0) (#33)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 11:48:03 AM EST
Nite:  I don't mind you using my crystal ball but would you mind putting it back on the Kateb setting when your done? I told you its hard getting it to tune in on left field.

And I also told you- stop using it for porn.  For Christ sake, the information you were looking for is here: www.parisexposed.com
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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thanks for the laugh (none / 0) (#35)
by kateb on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:04:40 PM EST


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bow (none / 0) (#36)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 12:32:59 PM EST

"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Just my take on kateb and her comments... (none / 0) (#37)
by Jim Travers on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 07:29:31 PM EST
I've read all of her postings and have yet to read anything she's said that is anti-catholic in nature.

She was defending someone who'd been illegally arrested for legally demonstrating outside a church, who himself had been abused by a priest at sometime in his life.

That is what he was demonstrating about, his having been abused by a priest and the fact that the catholic church had for years not only knowingly covered-up the sexual abuse of many children, including his, but also protected the offending priests from being prosecuted for their crimes.

Still no attack here against catholic theology, just the priests and their hierarchy that protected them from justice.

Kate seems to me to be someone, possible a mother, who is vehemently repulsed by the sexual abuse of children, the perpetrators of such acts and those who protect them, as we all should be, especially when the predators and their protectors are those who are supposed to be doing God's work within the sanctity of the church.

When police themselves violate the law they should be held accountable, regardless of their position within the department.

I don't believe, from what I read here, that she was enthralled with Turley, just that in this instance he acted appropriately while she believes Tuffey has not.

I, for one, give her credit. I certainly wouldn't want to cross the Blue Line and bring down upon my head the wrath of those on the force who seek to keep their public image untarnished, as she has in this case, by bringing to light that some of the acts committed by some of their own have been illegal.

What better way is there to discredit a credible person than to label them a nutcase, and a delusional conspiratorialist.

And nitevision, especially if you're a cop, but even if you're not, how could you possibly say this: "Cops have to enforce the laws (as they) are written.  They don't decide what to enforce and what not to."

Cops can change the rule of law at whim. Ask any street punk. Cops are always the ones who decide "what to enforce and what not to", and do so every time they decide whether they want to write a ticket or let go a speeder, or nearly any other offense they witness.


Jim (none / 0) (#39)
by alfrednewman on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:06:47 PM EST
Would you consider the following as potenitally a bigotted remark?

"Gays think they have the inherent right to deny others their constitutional rights"
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Thanks Jim (none / 0) (#40)
by kateb on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 06:21:47 AM EST
I never set out to have most of these experiences.  One thing I have been privileged to see and hear first hand is that most cops don't like bad cops.  The "Blue Line" might be a reality when they are asked to be eye witnesses against each other.  But my experience as a victim/witness has showed me a separate and equally true reality:  it sticks in the craw of good cops that bad cops act unlawfully, and if you give good cops a case, the detective will work it.  And you'll soon find that the detective has many friends too.

I'll be glad when it's over.  It's stressful dealing with a part of the world I had little training for.

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or (none / 0) (#38)
by DIA on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 07:46:20 PM EST
when the choose not to give a breath test to someone who crashed their car into a telephone poll late on a saturday evening.  

I saved that one for you DIA! (none / 0) (#41)
by Jim Travers on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 08:39:34 AM EST
I knew I could count on you to not let that get by unmentioned.

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thank, jim (none / 0) (#42)
by DIA on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 03:05:15 PM EST
always looking out for me.

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so thats (none / 0) (#43)
by alfrednewman on Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 04:28:53 PM EST
what the sound of ass kissing sounds like.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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hey (none / 0) (#44)
by DIA on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 12:34:33 AM EST
you're the one who called me "the master", not jim.

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and thats (none / 0) (#45)
by alfrednewman on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 06:45:49 AM EST
why it sounds like Jims ass kissing
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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