Welcome to Jerryland


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 05:48:26 AM EST

Recently I've been pointing out that Mayor Jennings doesn't care what you think. He will put in his convention center with your tax dollars. It will lose money. He and his developer friends will get rich. He wins. He will put together his "committees" of rich white suburban people to tell us city dwellers how to improve our neighborhoods. They will ignore our neighborhoods, build new apartment buildings near the new convention center...and he and his developer friends will get richer. This will be done with your tax dollars, without any of your input. He will not involve the common council in any decisions that matter. Why? Because he doesn't have to. If he is to be believed (he shouldn't be) that this is his last term, than he isn't running for re-election so why not try to break the bank for personal gain? However, if he is running for re-election he knows he can raise piles of cash from his happy developer and banker friends and run a competitive race against anyone. Those uptown wards like him and they get out the vote. So, he has no incentive to listen to the people. Remember his classic quote that illustrated this?
I don't want to hear people say I don't listen to people
Remember when the water authority was shown to be a financial disaster? Remember what happened? Nothing. Because its your money that Jennings is wasting and apparently not enough of you mind. So, he keeps digging up deeper in debt and letting his buddies run all of our city. The landfill debacle? More of the same. The list goes on and on. If someone is thinking of running for mayor in 2009, I recommend keeping track of these issues. The mayor has no incentive to care about anyone except himself. You can't really blame him. And now after 13 years in power, he has crossed that final line. He isn't even going to act like he gives a shit about you (especially you in the middle and lower class neighborhoods). Why bother acting like you care when you don't have to? We have finally crossed the rubicon. Yesterday we went through the looking glass and we are now in Jerryland for good. Welcome. I hope you survive your stay. Why all the melodrama from me, you ask? Here you go.

By now you know about Jennings' Rich White Suburban Savior Committee. You may have seen Shawn Morris' response. Morris got more citywide votes in the last election than Jennings so apparently she has some pretty broad support in the city. Her comment:
"This group falls dismally short in diversity," Morris said. "Input by business leaders is important, but not at the exclusion of the people who live in the communities that need to be revitalized."
Now, Jennings put the Savior committee together with no input from the Common Council. They found about it just like the rest of us. After the fact. This is an important point when we consider the Rubicon Moment. So, the Mayor puts together a committee of people with no input from any of the common council members. The President of the Common Council makes a rather reasonable comment. Your Rubicon Moment...Mayor Jennings:
"I'm not going to redesign a whole committee just because some people felt they were excluded. Those people don't have the expertise," Jennings told a caller to his Friday morning WROW radio show. "I don't need critics. I need people who know what is going on."

On his radio show, Jennings identified Morris and First Ward Council member Dominick Calsolaro as people who "sit on the sidelines and criticize."
In Jerryland he makes all the decisions. If you ask to be involved in those decisions you are blasted as a critic who just sits on the "sidelines". But then he keeps us all on the sidelines and gets very angry if we raise our voices and ask to have some involvment and then he criticizes us for staying on the sidelines. There is no point in working with this Mayor unless you can help him and his buddies make money. He makes that very clear. If you are in the minority community and you don't work to get this guy out of office, you need to accept your status as a second class citizen. The mayor said "those people don't have the expertise". How's that make you feel? If you live and work in a neighborhood and are trying to make it a better place to raise your kids and you don't work to get this mayor out of office...don't expect representation. This is how it works in Jerryland. The chosen few take from the working tax payers and don't give back. I seriously hope Morris and others are considering running for Mayor in 2009. The common council has no power. The citizens have no power. This is Jerryland until Jerry is gone.

Update [2006-7-9 15:33:40 by DIA]: There is a piece over at the AlbanyWeblog about this as well. They also have a handy online reference list of the chosen 45.

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Counter point: (none / 0) (#1)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 06:53:50 AM EST
If Jerry's committee is supossed to be to guide the economic future of the city shouldnt it be made up of business leaders and not social policy showmen?

The common council and neighborhood associations have no say. How is that bad in an advisory setting?  Lets be honest here, The Center Square Neighborhood Association is known for opposing everything proposed.

The Washington Park people's president (I think he is still president) couldn't make a bookstore (where most of the books were donated) survive and the I don't think I can find one single person on the Common Council who is employed in the private section.

And, please, can you name anyone in these groups that has real business experience. While you are at it, would you please give us some names from the minority community that has the same amount of business and planning experience? Ward and Aaron?

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

alfred (none / 0) (#4)
by DIA on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:22:12 AM EST
here's a question for you.   How do you think the people in guilderland or loudonville would feel if someone like me was put on an advisory committe on how to improve their community?  Would they be justified in saying I might not be the most qualified person to advise them on how to improve their neighborhoods?   What says you?

I guess you agree with the mayor that there are no minorities in albany who are intelligent, hardworking and want to improve their communities?  You know "those people".  The unqualified ones.  

And there is no one on any of the multiple neighborhood associations who could offer some insight?  

And if we want "advisors" we have to go outside the city because there just aren't enough qualified people in the city.  

And only private sector people should qualify according to you?  If that is the case lets get Rabito, Barnette and mayor off there as well, right?  

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DIA (none / 0) (#9)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 12:03:08 PM EST
If you have expertise that Colonie or Loudonville needed then why shouldnt you asked?

I also think that is good that he is asking people out of the city to be on it.  At the very least they can say what they want without having the city double their assesment.

I realize that this is not to market to be harping on this, but the truth is Albany has traditionally suffered from the errotion of the tax base. I actually think that it is wise for the mayor to plan now for the economic future of the city, while things are reasonbaly good, then to wait until the economy tanks and try to figure out what to do.

 My understanding that the people on the mayors committee were businessmen and that this was geared more to economics then social policies.  Am I incorrect there?

If the goal is to figure out how to improve the business climate then I thihk that most of the people on it should be private sector.

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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Stop It (none / 0) (#44)
by A Muse on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 01:12:23 PM EST
Alfred - Stop bringing up relevant points.  It is just too confusing.  Business experience does not count for anything.  You can always get a consultant or pretend you know what you are doing.  What business experience did Jennings have when he ran for Mayor?  (You have detention) And just look at where the City is today.  The voters elected him.  The voters know what they wanted.  Raise the taxes.

I like the plants hanging on the light poles (look like crap) where no one can see them and having to pay for watering them weekly as I hit a pothole in the road blowing out my tire and bending the rim.  I really benefit from the weekly street sweeper clearing the dust from my road as my taxes go up.  I also benefit from the lighting on all the roads in Albany as I drive my car that has headlights (state requirement).  Just end the street sweepers, get rid of the plants on the poles and the watering and the plants in the dividers, and turn off the lights.  Let the residents use their lamp poles to light the streets.  Make available to businesses and citizens, plants and bulbs that they can plant on dividers and hang on poles near their stores.  Let citizens and business owner's plant and maintain them.  Put up a sign maintained by Jerry's Exxon.  Next year let them pay for the bulbs and plants that the City will buy in bulk for the business owners and residents that want to beautify City property.  Place your orders early.  Jennings, should you read this - give the people in the community gardens off the Normanskill some water for their gardens.  Backhoe and a hand pump in two locations.  Do it now.  This is not a joke.

People who live in my home work in the public sector and have managed mulit-million dollar budgets and are qualified to assist the City.  That is business experience, although those of us who work in the private sector have fun making fun of the public sector employees.


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DIA (none / 0) (#2)
by kateb on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 06:59:13 AM EST
Completely agree.  I rarely pay attention to what the mayor actually says in recent years.   But he was quite rude to people who were right to question his choices.  He was cute too, to pretend in the media that there were people who wanted on, but weren't qualified. (Sour grapes.) Seems to me I only heard people, media and individuals, who simply wanted him to make better choices.

But I was thinking why don't people just have their own committee?   If this mayor is such a poor leader, let's have our own.  Can't Shawn Morris convene a committee to do this work?   Can't the head of a local non-profit?  Can a community association do it?   Can a street block?   Can't a web group?

The mayor messed up it seems to me, not getting that the city needs diverse city people to address these things.

But I think the mayor is making himself irrelevant for now.

Can't we just do it?

I think Kate has a great idea (none / 0) (#3)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:19:53 AM EST
Stop crying and see if you guys can put together a group to put Albany on the right track.  

Maybe this would be a great time for Corry Ellis to shine and Goodbee to show we we should have elected him.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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i agree (none / 0) (#5)
by DIA on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:33:31 AM EST
And i'll volunteer to lead it.  On one condition.  The ALDC gets $1 billion and my group gets $1 billion.  And we'll see who does the most with it.  Ok?  

And let me remind you of the short memories.  A group of citizens organized last summer to try to begin a discussion on how to improve the city.  With no budget they got 125 volunteers to get 3,500 signatures in the middle of a very hot summer.  They exercised their power as citizens.  And the mayor shit all over it and sent his thugs to the common council (who had agreed to support it) and the council voted it down.  Remember that?  That is what happens when citizens try to get involved.  

Plenty of people are working on their own to make the city better.  The people in the PTA, the people in the neighborhood associations, the people doing walk and watch programs, the people planting flowers on the streets, Citizens action, the DA's community accountability board volunteers, the working families party, that group that fixes up old buildings in arbor hill and sells them to young families, local churches, the local teacher's aide who organizes a basketball league, the guy who has an anti gang night at the YMCA, our beat cops, people who are moving to albany and investing in renovating houses....I could go on.   We've learned that to improve our neighborhoods we are on our own.  The mayor isn't helping.  We do what we can.  But the mayor has all the money and the power.   There is only so much we as a community can do until he is gone and we get a new mayor who is willing to work with everyone who is trying to make this city better.  

And from all of those people who are working so hard for their families, neighorhoods, schools and communities, in response to your advice to "stop crying", i would like to say, "FUCK YOU".  

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But.... (none / 0) (#6)
by kateb on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 08:19:20 AM EST

You build on that, DIA, and what a great foundation to build on.   It's a defeat in the very short term, but a victory for getting going.  Right?

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Nothing New Under the Sun (none / 0) (#7)
by TerryONeillEsq on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 08:46:17 AM EST
Up until 1973, Nelson Rockefeller presided over a fairly enlightened policy on the issue of illegal drugs.  That year, he abruptly changed course and, without any consultation with anyone, got the Rockefeller drug laws onto the books.  Ten years later, Mario Cuomo took office.  The 55th bill he signed that inaugural year was intended to establish an ambitious program of creating a state-supported infrastructure of neighborhood preservation crime prevention non-profits.  Notwithstanding his signature, this program never got off the ground.  Instead, Mario went on to create a colossal infrastructure of prisons.  For the people of our inner cities, the convergence of Rocky's laws and Cuomo's prisons created the perfect shitstorm.  People went to prison.  Neighborhoods went to hell.

DIA is right.  People cannot rely on our elected leaders to do what is best for them.  The Irish have political party whose name would be an apt motto for all the good people of Albany -- Sinn Fein -- We Ourselves.

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Well, aint we testy (none / 0) (#10)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 12:10:48 PM EST
DIA- you seem to be in a bad mood today.

In a city of 95,000 people how many of them will actually do anything to make the city more liveable?  How many of them will bend over and pick up a piece of trash that is sitting next to a garbage can?

 
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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a few points (none / 0) (#11)
by DIA on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 12:34:40 PM EST

I am testy.  The mayor is fucking us all over.  With our tax dollars.   Anyone who doesn't frequent the Fort Orange club should be testy.

First things first. You don't understand the issue.  The mayor's task force is supposed to address 3 areas, not just business development.   One of those is neighborhood revitalization.   And now Tom Geisel is in charge of revitalizing my neighborhood.  

Have you ever met any high level bankers?   And could they tell their ass from a hole in the ground?  Would you let them babysit your kids? Don't mistake the ability to suck up to other corporate knuckleheads and kiss ass as evidence that someone is a smart person and a good problem solver.  Two different things.  Being a "success" in corporate america most likely means you've never actually taking a stand for something you truly believe in.  Find me a successful small business person and I might be interested in their opinion on my neighborhood.  Maybe they have some ideas on how to revitalize Central Ave (remember that place, Jerry?).   If I was looking for someone to figure out a way to rip off customers by charging them higher bank fees or getting them to take out an interest only loan that they can't afford...I'd give Tom Geisel a call.   Until I take up an interest in usury I don't think he has much to add to the discussion about how to help my neighborhood or city.  And I can only wonder what his ideas on education are.   I doubt he's even a fan of your beloved private schools these days.

I'm not saying we should randomly select Albanians to give input on how to fix the city.  I'm saying we should talk to the people who are already working to make their neighborhoods and city better.  They don't wait for the great Mayor to ask them to do something.  They do it.  They've been doing it.  In my neighborhood, the homeowners pick up the garbage.   These people are a powerful positive force for this city.  A smart mayor would work with them.  Only thing we need now is a smart mayor (see my comment about bankers above.   It applies to politicians as well).  Glad handing and back stabbing doesn't make my streets safer or my schools better.

one last point - blaming the citizens who are working hard to make a difference despite the mayor is like blaming democrats for the problems this country faces.  The republicans have controlled everything for some time.  They have the power.  These problems we have are their creation.   Jennings has all the power in Albany.  Trying to blame the citizens who care for not doing more is just plain dumb.  

one really last point - the mayor sez - "I'm not going to redesign a whole committee just because some people felt they were excluded"

Being mayor is hard work.  Imagine getting some feedback and actually going back and improving on your first draft.  The mayor won't do that.  Another great example he is setting for the kids, eh?   he is so much like George W Bush its freaky.

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I didn't hear any crying (none / 0) (#8)
by kateb on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 09:50:02 AM EST

Just a very smart analysis of the problem.

Seems it needs a solution.

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Re-Capitalize Albany Committee... (none / 0) (#12)
by Citizen McLain on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 01:14:01 PM EST
...is only one part of the equation.  There needs to be more.  Whether it is through a subcommittee process, formal or informal hearings, Common Council hearings, etc., those elements of the city: the resident, the city worker, the small business owner, need to be engaged.

If the purpose of this new group is to identify areas where resources need to be leveraged, then the committee is not a bad idea (whatever happened, by the way, to the group called 100 Black Businessmen?  Are none of them capable entreprenuers?).  But it needs to be more expansive.

AE Newman does have a valid point: there are those who are elements of the neighborhood groups who have a reputation for opposing any sort of development of any kind; Center Square has been notorious for this.  The Concerned Citizens group is fighting the Holland Avenue zonign plan, but what are its alternative ideas?  BIDs, neighborhood associations and walk and watch groups need to collaborate, focus on what is needed and get that feedback to the mayor and the Common Council.

The Committee is not a bad idea, it just may not be the best-implemented idea.  We have to see how open and responsive individual heads of subcommittees and individual members are to the needs of the city's constituents.  And a lot will be expected of those 13 who actually live in the city.

But there needs to be more than this.

Ms. Morris and company need to start putting forth some constructive ideas, find a way to work with this organization, not just be perceived as critics, build a base beyond the committee and move forward.  Neighborhood associations, BIDS, NWs, etc, need to get their data together and demonstrate how they have made progress in tandem with and/or in spite of the Capitalize Albany program.

Don't just criticize, don't hide behind this "diversity" rhetoric.  Marshall your forces and move forward.

i'm calling bullshit (none / 0) (#13)
by DIA on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 01:54:36 PM EST
you say: neighborhood associations are opposed to "any sort of development of any kind"

Can you back that up?  Let's look at the two examples I've written about in the past 2 years.  one is the "notorious" center square.  There was a building in a residential neighborhood zoned 2 family.   A developer wanted to put 13 units in it.  The law says you can't do that.  The city and the courts ignored the law and let the developer go forward.   Is this "against any sort of development of any kind" or is this asking for the zoning to be enforced?    Likewise with the panera Walgreens issue.   It is illegal spot rezoning.   Would you like neighborhood associations to just say, "why yes, we are very happy to have you ignore the laws that were put in place to protect us, to give us insurance that when we INVESTED in this community by buying a home in it that we could expect that our community wouldn't be the plaything of developers and politicians, no...really...we are really overjoyed to have you do whatever you can to make the most money while we watch you ignore the laws...please!"    Your characterization of the neighborhood's opposition to illegal zoning is disingenuous.   I opposed both of those projects because they are illegal.   both of those properties could be developed in ways that followed the law.  Both could be done profitably.  But the profits wouldn't be enough to please the greedy developers.  Don't blame the citizens for asking for the laws to be followed while they pay taxes and work to make their communities better.  10 neighborhood associations opposed the Walgreens rezoning.  Are you blaming them all?  And again, its not their job to figure out how a developer can make money on the land.  They didn't buy it.  They bought their houses.  don't ask for a pity party because the developers can't make a quick buck.  

You say, "what are the alternative ideas"?  Are you kidding me?   I'll let you in on the citizens' secret.  The alternative idea is to FOLLOW THE FUCKING LAWS.   I'm sorry if that seems a bit too progressive.

AND, give me one example of a neighborhood association opposing legitimate development that didn't require some sort of "gift" from the zoning board (all appointed by the mayor).   Give me one and I'll be happy to discuss this further.

You say: "neighborhood associations and walk and watch groups need to collaborate, focus on what is needed and get that feedback to the mayor "

Ford, you haven't been paying attention.  "get that feedback to the mayor".  Are you kidding?   They have.  Repeatedly.  And they get called names by big jerry.   Let's stop pretending if the good citizens of albany just behaved better the mayor would work with them.   Its insulting to all the hardworking people who are working to make our communities better to imply that they haven't done as much.   Its why i'm testy.  

You say: "don't criticize"

Where have i heard that before?   Hmmm....right.  Now i remember.

You say: "marshall your forces and move forward".  

We do that.  In our communities.  But we also pay taxes.  A lot of them.  And expect representation.   Does Tom Geisel represent you?  did you vote for him?  Well, he's going to be in charge of deciding how all of your tax dollars are spent.   Was shawn morris elected as a representative by the people of Albany?  Mr. Calsalaro?   Well, they have no say.   We'll marshall our forces.   Just don't insult us with this middle of the road bullshit.   People need to stand up and fight for what is right and decent.   I work for a living and pay taxes.  I pay my portion of the mayor's salary.   He is supposed to be a public servant.  Instead he sees us as his servant, the public.   I'm tired of it.   Really fucking tired.  But due to the nature of this city there is only one option.  Get a new mayor ASAP and watch your neighbors' backs in the meantime.  

And don't worry.   We won't just be critics.  I'm thinking of using the site as a forum for people to help develop ideas about what albany should be doing.   Perhaps we could propose an alternate plan to the Chosen 45.  

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DIA (none / 0) (#14)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 04:05:20 PM EST
Have you ever had a sub made at the restaurant on the corner of Mrytle and Deleware? You know the one, right across from Price Chopper.

Oh, thats right, it was never built.  I was at a city meeting where representatives from H-P stood up and said that they opposed the project, no matter how it was designed.  Nice empty lot.

Part of my responce will be private DIA. This is still Albany.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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The rest of the story .... (none / 0) (#15)
by albany283 on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 04:43:27 PM EST
The project was approved...the developer never followed through.  Another example of developers getting approvals on spec, they said they had a Subways all lined up and maybe they'd find tenants for the rest.

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So how did it take (none / 0) (#16)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 05:12:41 PM EST
to get the project through historic resources?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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and I was there during some of those meetings (none / 0) (#17)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 05:15:09 PM EST

"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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my 2 cents (none / 0) (#18)
by kateb on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 06:00:24 PM EST
"Perhaps we could have an alternative...."

I like the idea, tremendously.

A few ideas from the sheepies.

Do it for the joy of it.

Okay, skip telling me I am unrealistic.  I spent time here and other places in the world dealing with poverty and racial issues.

But, IMHO, we will achieve more without being "in opposition", say to Jerryland.   Let's leave him out of the room, and out of our heads, at least for now.

Let's imagine and create and think through important issues and solutions free from framing it according to what someone else did.

And let's not burn bridges.  One thing along the way we could accomplish is lessening the discord, the factions, the ....  you know what I mean.  Most of us will tune it out, if that happens, and sheepiedom will continue.

Okay, said enough.

kate

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OK, lets start the games (none / 0) (#19)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 06:47:40 PM EST
I may as well start trouble now and I think that the rational reader will understand why it would be so hard to create a group to come up with a master plan for Albany.

Proposal:
First, as I have said several times before (and I do seem to recall DIA agreeing with me) the key to the stabilization and revitalization of a neighborhood is homeownership. The existing programs to help low income and first time homeowners to buy houses should be expanded. I would say that a reasonable goal is to raise homeownershiop from the 37% (2000 census) to 50%.

I would also suggest that programs be set up to help renovate and repair abandoned property to be sold to low income and first time home owners.

Home ownership is usually seen as a stabilizing influence. Home owners have an investment to protect and will take a more active role in the city.  Crime rates in owner occupied areas is assumed to be less tham in majority rental areas.  With lower crime rates the overall cost of city opperations will be less because police and fire departments will be needed less.

Sound reasonable?

Here is the problem with what should be considered a reasonable proposal.  

First, "social activists" will start screaming that this is blatently racist and designed to drive black folks out of the city.  By eliminating rental units you increase the demand for apartments. Rents will go up across the board. This will also lead to calls that the mayor is making his friends money because the mayors friends must own all the rental units.

When proposing the renovation of deteriorated housing stock you are in fact pushing out the lowest eshilon of society, which tend to be extremely low income or subsidized black people, out.

The next problem will be these social activists will demand that a percentage of the renovation projects have to go to woman and minority owned construction firms, not the lowest bidders. Leeway will be given to poor quality control and the costs will be higher.

(Can anyone tell me what those houses built on Frisby Ave and Livingston cost to build?  If I remember correctly, they were about twice as expensive to build then the typical tract house at the time. )

Now, assuming that we reach the goal of 50% homeownership, what are you going to do with all of those people that were displaced by gentrification?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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"There are those who are elements" (none / 0) (#20)
by Citizen McLain on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:06:28 PM EST
"...of the neighborhood groups who have a reputation for opposing any sort of development of any kind."

If you are going to quote me or paraphrase me, do it completely. Don't abuse my words just to make your point.

We need to keep getting in the mayor's face.  Keep getting in the city government's face.

I am not going to throw the baby out of the bathwater and say that this is a bad group of people or that they can't do anything.  Re-Capitalize Albany is but one part of the larger equation.  

And, quite respectfully, neighborhood associations are not the be all and end all of effective organizations.  They are - at times - as clicquish and insular as the mayor.  I've been to DANA meetings, to a CANA meeting, and they are largely all-white, all property-owner events that also do not represent interests of every member of their communities.  So let's not pretend that NA's are our salvation.  It's a collaborative effort.  And NAs, Shawn Morris and company have been just as responsible for the bad vibes between the mayor as he is...it's a two-way street.

You know, someone...a small business owner in my area said something enlightening to me tonight: this person listens to the mayor's radio show all the time, and all he hears is "my city, my police, my fire department." This is about Jerry's legacy...not about our legacy.

As much as it hurts, we need to keep going back...get knocked down, go back.  I got my ass kicked in 2005, but it's time to keep going back.  

I'm not saying don't criticize, I'm saying, don't whine.  All I've heard from those opposed to the Re-Capitalize idea is whining.  No one has said, "ok, this is formed, now this is what we are going to do."

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By the way, DIA (none / 0) (#21)
by Citizen McLain on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:10:30 PM EST
It's good to have you back in the game.

I hope you got up to the Ginger Man lately: they now have Anchor Steam on tap.

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ginger man (none / 0) (#27)
by DIA on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 09:28:42 AM EST
i have not had their anchor steam.  But on a hot summer day like this, i'll probably be seeking a cold beer somewhere in the later hours.

i'm still planning to not post much this summer unless big issues like this one raise their ugly heads.

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Actually ford (none / 0) (#22)
by alfrednewman on Sat Jul 08, 2006 at 07:30:21 PM EST
he was quoting me.

The Center Square Neighborhood Association bi-laws prohibit anyone except the eleven members Board of Directors from voting on issues at meetings. So basically six people have say over what the organization does as they "represent" the people who they refuse to allow to vote at meetings.

If you dont like what the association does then you can wait the two years for the general election. Except, of course, that the "former" president is automotically on the Board of Directors.

Not the most Democratic or representitive of organizations, is it?
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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whining and the chosen 45 (none / 0) (#23)
by DIA on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 06:46:03 AM EST
I'm on record saying the mayor's chosen 45 will be quite good at what they plan to do.  They will use taxpayer money for large building projects downtown.  We will end up with buildings like the one the mayor made the announcement at (the 666 building).   I know someone who works in that building for PWC.   I asked them how many of their co-workers live in the city of Albany.  They didn't know of any.   Is that a successful project for the city?  Perhaps.  Is is a successful project for the mayor and his donors?   Sure thing.  Did the city give that land to the developer for free?  Yes.   This current group will provide us with more projects like that.   Is that going to help the 7th ward?  Perhaps in some trickle down fashion in the long-term.  Will it revitalize central ave?   No.  Perhaps we will get another neighborhood revitalization like they got in Park South.  Hand the keys to an out of town developer and look how we magically revitalize the neighborhood.  Some will say that is the way to go and is "success".  I'm sure we will get more of that out of this group.   That is what they were chosen to do and they will accomplish their goals.  But that won't help the lower city wards one bit.

Your criticism of neighborhood associations is helping how?   You are calling shawn morris a "whiner" for criticizing the mayor and not offering up any other solutions.   I'm assuming this is based on her comment in the paper.  Calsalaro is also lumped in with Morris.  Have you ever talked to him?   To say that he doesn't have ideas is just plain wrong.   During his last campaign he was one of the few (if only) candidate to put forth a well thought out plan for smart development in albany (i can't find it right now but its on this site in the archives somewhere).   I don't think its reasonable to expect someone to respond to a surprise announcment of a new committee with more than reasonable criticism or praise.   Expecting them to say, "i don't agree with their approach, let me tell you about my well thought out plan instead" is ridiculous.   Should they be doing this in the future.  Sure.  Calsalaro has done it in the past.  Give them a chance before you condemn them.

I'm still waiting for an example of a citizen group that stood in the way of legally approved development in Albany.  

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Calsaloro (none / 0) (#32)
by Citizen McLain on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 02:37:54 PM EST
I like him.  He's done a lot of good for his community.

When Ms. Morris was endorsed by the TU for her current position, I do not recall anything...anything that they said she accomplished for her own Ward 7.

I choose my words relatively carefully.

Whining and criticizing are two different things.  If Ms. Morris had a greater reputation for getting things done in her ward or for reaching out on a more regular basis with her constituents besides election time, I would have had less problems with her.

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Gee, Ford... (none / 0) (#28)
by kateb on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 09:50:53 AM EST
I normally agree or at least understand/respect what you say, but I do disagree this time.

I did not hear any whining, and certainly not from EVERYONE who had some objections.  It's a sad day when raising your voice to question something is called whining or crying.  

I also don't think we should be in anyone's faces, as you said.

Honestly, I think it's time to start ignoring them.  We have the power we claim, and we have to stop framing things only in opposition.  It's a waste, and it makes us as irrelevant as the mayor is becoming.

Let's come up with great ideas, let's use a frame we haven't discovered yet, not reacting and framing everything against what someone else (Jerry) does. No one will be interested in that, the same old factions and fighting.

Let's just go past him, politely.  Let's take the initiative and do the work.

If the mayor wants to join us later, we can talk.

kate

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Kate... (none / 0) (#33)
by Citizen McLain on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 02:40:03 PM EST
Fair enough.  I can't see how you ignore the executive branch of the city government, but moving forward with different ideas, piggybacking on worthy initiatives offered by the 45, etc., is a good start.

On semantics, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[ Parent ]

Ford... (none / 0) (#34)
by kateb on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 04:03:43 PM EST

I didn't say anything about government, including the executive branch.

A mayor does not own society, free discourse, and people working on issues that matter to them.

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How Tocquevillian! (none / 0) (#35)
by Citizen McLain on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 06:51:08 AM EST
A group of engaged citizens participating in the promotion of their society through civil organizations?

Alexis de Toqueville would be proud.

By the way, a letter to the editor will be published hopefully sometime this week (after Wed), regarding this issue.

Regarding your comments, DIA, even AE Newman, I think we are all disagreeing to a level of degrees.  With regard for the 45, these are important business, education and civic leaders, and I do not think that their involvement should be dismissed at all.  

My only concern - reinforced mostly through the mayor's subsequent remarks - is that they are not the saviors of the city.

Mayor Jennings need to realize that this is not HIS city.  It is OUR city, and he is OUR elected leader.

Renaissance begins from within!  

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I agree (none / 0) (#36)
by kateb on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 07:39:33 AM EST
it's not the Mayor's city.  It's ours.

You know, it's funny.  When I campaigned for the mayor I never met him.  I realized it's because I skipped every single schmoozing event and invitation, and always will.  I don't like that stuff.

I like the sunshine, and being out there to do the work, and trying to make life better.

I guess the point I haven't been making very well is we need to go about our work without framing everything in reference to the mayor.  We need a free and open vision.  We need to work with fresh ideas.

I don't care who joins us.  Nothing against business leaders.  Shit, I have friends who are millionaires and friends on food stamps.  None of those things matter; but every life experience shapes and forms our values and ideas.

We have a beautiful city (walk more if anyone disagrees).  But there are important issues needing fresh ideas and approaches, and the people in this city have enormous talents and skills to offer if we just ask.

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E-Mail (none / 0) (#37)
by Citizen McLain on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 07:52:03 AM EST
Kate,

Feel free to e-mail me with any ideas, if you are so inclined.  Those goes to anyone with ideas, especially those who live in the 7th Ward and Delaware Area neighborhood: FordMcLain@gmail.com.

My approach to issues is obviously grounded more in a political framework, but I do believe in the virtue of private and individual incentive, of moving forward without - or in spite of - political leaders.

Albany is a beautiful city, with a lot of great architecture, pretty friendly people, and very green for an urban area.  

Be well.

[ Parent ]

Thanks (none / 0) (#39)
by kateb on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 08:42:06 AM EST

Ford, I may do that.

I hope, though, that DIA does what he/she seemed to be thinking about, turn this into a forum for ideas for change.

I think it could be very beneficial to work things out in a public forum like this, bounce off each other in a productive way.

Don't take any of this personally -- we've never met! -- but I am not feeling inclined to look to any one person, but a community of people.

We should put feelers out too, to the scientists and environmentalists who have SOLUTIONS to offer, say on landfills.   And other people with the skills and experience for the major issues.  Invite them to DIA's site, if that's what he/she wants to do.

I could go on and on, but there's other obligations to deal with today!

kate

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Sounds cool. (none / 0) (#40)
by Citizen McLain on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 09:01:57 AM EST
If I took things personally, I'm in the wrong game.

DIA probably needs a little bit of respite from all this, if he wants to continue on.

In some ways though, Mr. Jennings committee/attitude has at least spurred some new dialogue,a nd that is always a plus.

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collaboration (none / 0) (#24)
by DIA on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 07:13:01 AM EST
ford say:
"So let's not pretend that NA's are our salvation.  It's a collaborative effort.  And NAs, Shawn Morris and company have been just as responsible for the bad vibes between the mayor as he is...it's a two-way street."

I don't think anyone thinks neighborhood associations are our salvation.  However, to say that the bad blood between the mayor and certain groups in this city is a two way street is wrong.  I'd be more than happy to work with the mayor.  Unlike him, I have the ability to have a discussion where someone holds an opposing view, and it doesn't make me react like a spoiled child.   Most of us who work in the real world need this ability to either 1) not get fired 2) deal successfully in any type of situation with more than one person.  The mayor does not allow for collaboration.   As I've pointed out the political system in Albany allows him to take a my way or the highway approach.   There is no "two way street" in albany.   Its the mayor's way.  Disagree and you will get called names and then he will accuse you of not participating to fix the problem.  I could cite numerous examples of this.   What would you recommend the 10 NA's who opposed the walgreen spot rezoning do differently?   The mayor's lawyer worked with the developer to find a loophole to allow this to go through.   What should those people have done?   And now that they law has been circumvented and the rezoning has happened with NO DISCUSSION between them and the mayor, can you blame them if they might feel the mayor treated them like crap?   Same for the center square group.  The first thing the city did when that group challenged the illegal variance that was granted was make a motion to say the citizens of the neighborhood had no legal standing to challenge a decision the city made.  The city's first response was to try to take away the citizens only method of having any say in how their neighborhood was used by developers to make the greatest profit.   So, are they "whiners"?  Is this an adminstration fostering discussion or trying to suppress the rights of the citizens?

I'm all for collaboration.   When there are two parties willing to work together, think through problems and compromise.   That is not the situation we have in Albany.   But i'll give anyone a chance to prove otherwise.  Two things I'd like to see examples of:

  1.  Give me an example anytime in the last several years that the mayor has compromised on anything that involved a discussion with citizens (i'm sure he compromises with his buddy pataki, that doesn't count).  

  2.  Give me an example of citizens who are blocking development that is consistent with the zoning in their neighborhood that doesn't require a variance or spot rezoning.  

We must continue to make our neighborhoods better despite the mayor and his cronies.  We must work to get a mayor who is willing to work with us.  

At some point i'll comment on Alfred's homeownership comments and offer an alternative view on that as well.  

DIA (none / 0) (#29)
by alfrednewman on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 01:26:00 PM EST
Everything requires a zoning variance and we both know it.  

Examples:
340 Hamilton Street:  application of Deena Ecker regarding the premises located at 340 Hamilton Street (Mezzo Market) requesting a use variance pursuant to section 375-26 of the City of Albany Zoning Ordinance to allow for an expansion of a non-permitted use marketplace and eatery business.  the property is located in an R-2C One and Two-Family Row House Residential zoning district.  

(The applicant seeks to expand the commercial use of the building.  The existing market space would be moved to the rear and the cafe to the front.  The space in question is currently utilized as an owner-occupied residential unit.  It had previously been the commercial kitchen when the building was occupied by Unlimited Feast.  The proposal would reconvert this space to commercial use, the previous decision of the BZA authorizing the use of this space had specified that it could only be used for owner-occupied residential use).

So not only can they tell you what to do they can tell you where you are going to live.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

really? (none / 0) (#30)
by DIA on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 01:51:28 PM EST
there are plenty of uses for the walgreen's land and the center square house (the two cases i'm talking about).   however, they would not have made as much money for the developers.

However, that is an excellent example you just gave.  Remember all the protests from the surrounding neighborhood associations?   Remember the lawsuits to try to stop Mezzo from opening?   You probably don't.  Because they didn't occur.   Neighborhoods (usually) don't stand in the way of smart development.   However, they have the right to oppose development when it is purely a develop trying to make the most possible from a property at the expense of the surrounding neighbors.   The law protects against this.  Unfortunately, in albany, Jennings appointees get to "re-make" the law to please developers.

If you don't like the zoning laws, get the changed.  That applies for any other type of law as well.  However, in the meantime, the general public deserves to have the laws enforced.

[ Parent ]

Ever eaten at (none / 0) (#31)
by alfrednewman on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 02:32:39 PM EST
Joy Bell's Jazz Cafe on Madison?

Of course you havent. She was never allowed to open. Where Pie in the Ski originally was. Zoned restaurant/ bakery. She couldnt get the zoning to restaurant.  During Whalen's years, by the way.

Your original example is flawed because everyone who tries to open a new business that is different (in any way) from the original has to go before the ZBA.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

Multiple choice (none / 0) (#25)
by 1894 on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 07:41:34 AM EST
The makeup of Jerry's committee suggests one of two things:

A) His instincts and common sense have suddenly abandoned him, and he has gone completely tone deaf politically.

B) He's an arrogant autocrat who doesn't give a rat's ass how this plays around town.

I vote for the latter.

make that two (none / 0) (#26)
by DIA on Sun Jul 09, 2006 at 07:43:34 AM EST
votes for B

[ Parent ]
It's C (none / 0) (#38)
by Citizen McLain on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 07:58:04 AM EST
A combination of A and B, with B probably driving A.

[ Parent ]
my sense (none / 0) (#41)
by kateb on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 11:56:42 AM EST

is it's more like A, but I'd knock it down a notch or two. I don't think he's completely tone deaf.   But he is losing his best instincts, for sure.

Maybe that's okay.

[ Parent ]

I meant to say (none / 0) (#47)
by kateb on Wed Jul 12, 2006 at 09:27:39 AM EST

He lost his best instincts.  Not maybe.

[ Parent ]
having never seen (none / 0) (#42)
by cekirkland on Mon Jul 10, 2006 at 01:04:40 PM EST
any evidence of the vaunted qualities listed in (A) -- but I'm only a newcomer/transplant in the last decade -- it sure looks like (B) to me.

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Impeach Jennings (none / 0) (#43)
by A Muse on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 12:22:53 PM EST
I would like to see a petition circulated to see how many voters would be willing to impeach the Mayor.   This might give a better perspective as to the criticism he has been receiving.  If there are few signatures on the petition then we know the Mayor has done a great job with his magic tricks.  Fool all the people all of the time.  If there are a lot of signatures on the petition to impeach him, he has only fooled some of the people all of the time - after all he did get reelected.

Maybe the Mayor in an abutting community would take the job, or Alice Green, what is Naomi Jaffe doing, that fellow Mr. Goodsomething.  I like candidates with Good in their name and I think it is time for radical change and Jennings is not a radical.  Look at the job he came from.  What even gave him the right to run for Mayor?  We don't even know if he can balance his own checkbook.  What is he going to do after he runs Albany into the toilet - sorry it is already there.  Go back to Albany High?  Get a degree in Business Administration?  Want Fries with that?

No matter what a jackass someone is no one should say that.  It is impolite.  I would never call Jennings a Jackass no matter how stupid he appears.   It is nobody's business.  He looks good on television and I like the way he bounces up and down when he is making a point. He looks good behind Hillary too and that is scary.  Notice she always wears pants.  Ever wonder why? So I am not accused of not offering a solution; I have one for Albany.  Take the entire Pinebush and make it a dump.  Do it a little at a time so no one will notice.   Make deals and then break them.  Use the law to steal the land.  Albany can take in trash from NYC and just about everywhere.  The barges can flow up the river and a tollgate can be added to increase city revenue.  It will provide jobs for the uneducated in Arbor hill.   Raise the dam taxes.  Maybe then owners of rentals who live out of town will default, the property will go to foreclosure and the people who live in the buildings can afford to buy them.   If a WASP can figure out the residents of Albany are getting ripped off why can't black voters?  Where are the potatoes?  The good Ms. Parks may have gotten everyone into the restaurant but if you can't order anything you want off the menu it does no good.  


Jerry's going to take... (none / 0) (#45)
by Jim Travers on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 03:59:51 PM EST
Kovachick's job as weatherman for Ch 13 after Bob retires.

It's the only job Jennings' qualified for.

I mean, after all, what other job is there that someone can get it wrong so often and still remain employed?

Besides, of course, that of the Mayor of Albany.

A petition to impeach is a bit harsh, but a petition demanding his resignation or that he be recalled for, among other things, his poor financial management of this once great city now brought to the brink of fiscal ruin through his incompetence would be in order.

Just let me know when and where to pick 'em up!

I'm good for at least a thousand Albanian signatures.

 

[ Parent ]

Let's Review Jerry's Biography and (none / 0) (#46)
by Jim Travers on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 10:25:56 PM EST
his 2006 State of the City Address:

Lines taken from Jennings' Biography:

"...his stunning election victory in 1993, against the party establishment..."

(Yes,Jerry bucked the system, and we were glad he'd won, but then he endorsed Pataki!)

"He distinguished himself as a tireless voice for the citizens of Albany and an advocate for Albany's Pine Bush."

(Yup, true, well, I'd say he was more the voice of those who opposed low income housing in his ward, echoing, 'we don't want that element in OUR neighborhood'.)

"Mayor Jennings first took office on January 1st, 1994 and assumed the responsibilities of leadership that turned a city with a structural financial deficit and pessimistic outlook for its future into a true renaissance."

(I wonder what Jerry's successor will have to say about the state they find Albany in after Jerry's administration is finally booted out of office.)

"In an environment where upstate New York cities were decaying over the last decade, the City of Albany has experienced a bona fide renewal in both downtown and its historic neighborhoods as a result of Mayor Jennings' leadership and vision."

(I would suggest to your readers to take a cruise through the revitalized historic south end to see the wonderful condition of this neighborhood after Jerry's twelve years in office.)

"As Mayor, Jerry Jennings has presided over an unprecedented reduction in crime and meaningful increases in quality of life for all of Albany."

(You have got to be kidding! Who wrote this - Safire or Buchanan?)

"The most critical element of Mayor Jennings public service is his unparalleled dedication to the children of Albany."

(He just doesn't want to hear anything from their folks, after all, they're all no-nothings or worse. He'd probably use the term 'neighing naybobs of negativism' to describe those parents who are members of a neighborhood organization.)

"Mayor Jennings has focused on implementing environmentally sensitive policies."

(Very true! The development of the pine bush and the Coeymans Wetlands, er, landfill.)

"He has worked with the State of New York and the Pine Bush Commission to add hundreds of acres to the Pine Bush Preserve."

(??)

Jennings' 2006 State of the City Address:

"Tonight, I am pleased to report to them and to you, their elected representatives, that the state of our City is strong and that our future looks even stronger."

(Sounds good so far, but I've seen this movie before - brace yourselves.)

"As you know, one of the most important sources of revenue to the City comes from our landfill. The landfill generates nearly $ 13 million in annual revenue and enables us to provide our residents with free trash removal - an expense they would otherwise incur."

(True.)

"Unfortunately, the existing landfill only has about four more years of capacity left."

(True. My, how time flies by!)

"For the past several years we have attempted to develop a new landfill in Coeymans."

(Twelve years later and still no DEIS has been submitted for the Coeymans site and there's no fall-back plan whatsoever. Everyone knows to diversify their portfolios; to not put all their eggs in one basket.)

"The Coeymans site was selected before my administration took office and was chosen after a State selection process that decided the Coeymans location was the only viable one to site a regional facility."

(Hogwash! The final selection was narrowed to two sites in Coeymans after determining that the nine sites in Bethlehem, the three sites in Guilderland, or one other site in Coeymans were for one reason or another "inappropriate". NO other sites were ever considered. I suppose Jerry is trying to convince everyone that this too, was Whalen's doing, but it is he who signed the 'No Money Back' purchase contract for the Coeymans lands. Jennings speaks so highly of Whalen, it's no wonder he agreed with the former mayor on this one, and unquestionably followed his predecessor's policy.)

"While much time and significant resources have been devoted to the effort to acquiring the land and to develop a landfill at the Coeymans site, we face litigation and opposition that makes it almost certain we will not be able to permit and construct a new facility at that location within the next four years."

(Maybe if you had submitted that DEIS eleven years ago Jerry, the citizens of Albany and the other dozen ANSWERS communities wouldn't be in this situation.)

"Therefore, while we must continue to move forward with the Coeymans site as a long term landfill facility in accordance with our State approved regional solid waste management plan, we must also find a solution to ensure that we have a revenue producing facility available at the end of the next four years when our Rapp Road facility as it now exists will be at capacity."

(Indeed, continue on. By the end of August, you will be the proud owners of a giant mud puddle in Coeymans. But remember - the Judge says you can't spend another dime towards the purchase - not until after you first submit a DEIS. But You're Jerry Jennings, Mayor of Albany, and you don't give a damn about a judicial decision handed down by the State's highest court. The city's continued, long after they lost their several appeals, to make payments to the landowners, in direct violation of the courts ruling.)

"I cannot overstate the negative consequences that will face the City if we do not proceed with this expansion. Without it we will face a nearly $13 million dollar budget shortfall and City residents will see real property tax increases by as much as 27% or more."

(Who's doing is this Jerry? Surely you're not going to try to put this all on Bill Bruce, the former administration's city planner and now your Commissioner of General Services, are you?
Or are you going to continue trying to convince Albanians that the citizens of Coeymans are the sole reason you find your city in this predicament.)

"Further, the City would also incur millions of dollars in additional expenses for the cost of transporting our waste to an outside landfill or in the alternative our residents would incur the additional expense of paying for trash removal."

"In either scenario, City services will have to be cut, along with potentially hundreds of City jobs across the entire City workforce. I am asking you tonight to work with me to make certain none of this happens and that this expansion proposal succeeds."

(So, having wasted twelve years and nearly that many millions of taxpayers dollars, Jerry's warning you that he's about to spend millions more, if you don't get behind him and follow his lead and allow him to further destroy one of the world's rarest ecosystems.)    

"I have focused on this issue this evening because I believe it will be one of the most important we will work together on in the days and weeks ahead. When I first dreamed of becoming the Mayor of this City, I never dreamed I'd be spending so much of my time focusing on trash, trash removal and landfills. So much for the glamour of this job."

(A true leader will admit his mistake when realized and immediately plot a course correction. Jennings has put forth no plan whatsoever to find an alternative source of revenue to replace that which will be lost when the landfill closes. On this Jerry's been mute. What is he waiting for? Maybe he's counting on the millions the city will make on the proposed convention center.)

Anyone out there feeling pessimistic about Albany's future?

Some Renaissance!

The citizens and common council must all be mad if they allow Jennings to obtain from the state the next thirty years payments in lieu of taxes from the state for the Empire State Plaza in a lump sum. It'll disappear for sure.

Dump Jerry and his stinking dump NOW, before it's too late, before Albany becomes bankrupt.

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