The War on the War on Drugs


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Thu May 04, 2006 at 04:42:32 AM EST

So many thoughts and ideas running around my head on this one that I think I'll do what is something i recommend elected officials try once in a while....go with the advice of someone smarter than me who isn't on a government payroll. Mr. Upton Sinclair:
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it."
Let's all think about that. And then perhaps we can think about someone who is on the payroll fighting that glorious War on Drugs. Albany County Sheriff, James Campbell
For 41 years I've been doing this, and it's a slap. I am as angry as I am disappointed."
41 years. Probably put a lot of people in prison for possession of drugs. I'd think after 41 years there must be no one left doing drugs, right? No? Well, then how about if its not working after 41 years we keep doing the exact same thing? That sounds brilliant.

Yes, apparently the Albany police are not happy with Soares' comments (see Sinclair above). And there are people on this site who think Soares shouldn't speak the truth because it might affect his working relationship with the Albany Police. Many of those same people will say that he shouldn't be prosecuting the officer in this video. Because he might upset the police. We've got some issues in this city that need to be addressed. They certainly might upset the police if we address them. Why people think we shouldn't talk about anything that might upset the police (or the mayor) is mind boggling. Doing the right thing is difficult and often upsets people. If it was easy, everyone would do it. It isn't. So, we have to rely on a few people with the balls to actually do it.

Now some might say the police are just there to enforce the law, not talk about changing it to make it better. But who better to have a discussion about changing the laws that the people who enforce it? Like the police...or the DA. Well, Chief Tuffey is having none of it. But at least he wants to meet with Soares to talk about it.
"When he comes back, he really needs to meet with us to explain," Tuffey said. "It's disingenuous to the officers who go out every day who are not highly paid, contrary to what he said."
Its also disingenuous to imply that Soares said that all officers are overpaid. Or that we don't need officers to enforce the law. I'm sure that Soares will be more that willing to talk with Tuffey. I'm not convinced he will be willing to listen. Its also disingenuous to say that there are not officers that are highly paid, like Mr. Tuffey.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding it."
Let's see what the Cato Institute has to say about the war on drugs.
Since the days of "Just Say No," this domestic quagmire has lasted longer than the Vietnam War. It has killed, detained and bullied innocent citizens and non-violent offenders in a futile campaign to vacuum every last cannabis seed from America's streets. This fool's errand isn't cheap. Between 1990 and 1999 alone, federal anti-drug law-enforcement activities have cost taxpayers $81 billion. States and cities have spent even more. Meanwhile, low-cost drugs have become even more plentiful.
Although the locals will attack Soares and try to make this a political issue and say Soares is attacking all the good cops who work the streets of Albany County, they are missing the point. Soares is starting a discussion our country needs to have. I'm quite certain he knows he will be attacked for it. Kudos to him for being courageous enough to stand up and say this. If you want to disagree with him, try talking about what he is talking about instead of talking about him.

Soares appears to be the rare politician who is making good on his campaign promises. He said he would do this and he is doing it. Perhaps his opponents would've worked harder to defeat him if they realized that, unlike their candidates, he wasn't just lying during his campaign, he was speaking the truth. Rare indeed.

Update [2006-5-4 5:34:57 by DIA]: I recommend doing some reading about the war on drugs. I've already cited the Cato institute on this one. I don't agree with them on much. Now I'll give you the National Review. Its a long read but I recommend you check it out. Here is what you will read:
We are joined in our judgment by Ethan A. Nadelmann, a scholar and researcher; Kurt Schmoke, a mayor and former prosecutor; Joseph D. McNamara, a former police chief; Robert W. Sweet, a federal judge and former prosecutor; Thomas Szasz, a psychiatrist; and Steven B. Duke, a law professor. Each has his own emphases, as one might expect. All agree that the celebrated war has failed, and that it is time to go home, and to mobilize fresh thought on the drug problem in the context of a free society. This symposium is our contribution to such thought.

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Disagree (none / 0) (#1)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 05:25:29 AM EST
If you want to disagree with him, try talking about what he is talking about instead of talking about him.

If I disagree with the DA should I talk about what he is doing and not about what he is talking about?

And what is he doing?

He is allowing druggies either a free pass or a slap on the wrist.  If this isnt an encouragement then I dont know what is.

Here is the end results. Too bad I cant load photos because I think that it would convince more people why drug dealers should face harsher- not lighter- penalties.

Look at this web site and then spout:

www.focalpress.com/companions/0240804155/crack/crack1.htm

CRACK BABIES IN INFANCY (Part I)
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

wrong (none / 0) (#2)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 05:31:31 AM EST
i agree that they didn't put the Pataki's employee in prison for buying crack.  I think that was a slap on the wrist.  However, I'd like you to give me some evidence to back up your statement.   How on earth you think this is encouragement to start doing crack is beyond me.  

And if you ever actually listened to Soares he is incredibly anti drug.  He knows it is destroying our communities.   He chose this line of work because he wants to help fix our communities.  

[ Parent ]

HEY TIMES UNION (none / 0) (#4)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 05:45:55 AM EST
If the Times Union was on the ball they would take this opertunity to update their earlier story on how "well" the DA is doing.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]
accuracy (none / 0) (#3)
by Lame Man on Thu May 04, 2006 at 05:36:33 AM EST
I will probably post this comment in both of the Soares threads, just an FYI.

A couple of commenters have said things like, "Soares is saying that he won't enforce or uphold the law."  I am not finding that in the news accounts of his comments.  

I found this Canadian news account and it certainly does not indicate that Soares says he won't enforce the laws.

I found this ruling (PDF file) by the Fair Campaign Practices For The Capital Region which says that in 2004, Clyne was out of line for claiming that "Soares says he won't enforce the laws keeping our communities safe from drug dealers and gun violence.

There is a lot that can be said, pro and con, about revising the drug laws.

I don't see where trying to stick Soares with this "won't enforce the laws" stuff has any place in the discussion.

Just what is the message he is sending (none / 0) (#5)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:00:31 AM EST

What is being said in the minority community about Soares and his willingness to get drug dealers off the street?

What message is the DA sending when he is elected to enforce the laws and very publically states that he disagrees with them?

I couldnt give a rats ass about the claim that his election was a reflection of the drug laws.  His office is a public relations job. His job is to enforce the laws enacted.

The simple fact is this:  Drugs effect not just the user but generations to follow. Instead of looking at how "harsh" the drug laws are on his constituents maybe the DA should think about how he is condeming future generations to hell.  

Studies show that "crack babys" are far more violent than normal kids. So what do you think is going to happen when these crack babys "grow  up?" Think they are going to be productive members of society?  Think they are going to go to be able to go to college and get high paying jobs?

I think it is ironic that the DA is harping on the criminal justice system because every time He fails to prosecute a drug dealer (remember he only wants "king pins!" he makes those jobs secure.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

you are completely missing the point (none / 0) (#7)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:07:57 AM EST

Soares is saying crack is a big problem.  He also is saying our current policies aren't working.  You are providing links to prove that.  Crack babies are not a good sign that the current policies are working.  

You really should try to understand what he is saying instead of making things up.

Paul Clyne did a great job of running ads saying Soares would let all the crack dealers out of prison.   Happily, a majority of people in albany county aren't a dumb as Clyne hoped and they didn't believe that horsehit.

one last time.   the current system isn't working.  We need to discuss how to fix it so less people use crack.  That is the goal.  If that hurts the mayor's feelings i don't care.  I'm not sure what his goal is but he is a guy that 2 years ago said we didnt' have gangs in albany.   And his big plan to help albany involves building a convention center.  That will fix everything.  

[ Parent ]

I think you're mistaken (none / 0) (#8)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:09:43 AM EST

Soares spoke at a harm reduction conference.  It is a different philosophy about treating societal problems like addictions.   Proponents say reducing the harm has a better long term impact on society than lengthy incarceration for minor offenses.

There is obviously a lot of room for arguing over it, and hopefully having worthwhile conversations.

It takes courage to seek reform and start the conversation.

I haven't seen any statistics that say this DA "fails to prosecute" as you like to assert.  

[ Parent ]

Cato and National Review (none / 0) (#6)
by Citizen McLain on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:04:13 AM EST
I appreciate the reference to two conservative and/or liberatarian organizations in your argument against the war on drugs.

Coming from DIA, I also appreciate the irony.

thanks (none / 0) (#9)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:09:58 AM EST
you would think that if someone like me agrees with the national review on something, that perhaps there might be something to the argument.  

[ Parent ]
Lets see the stats (none / 0) (#10)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:29:07 AM EST
Lets see what the DA is up to.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]
you're making the accusation (none / 0) (#11)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 06:55:10 AM EST
re "failure to prosecute".

Prove it.

[ Parent ]

Well Kate (none / 0) (#12)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:20:51 AM EST
I could do what you were doing the other day and say that I was standing outside of the court listening to other lawyers talk about it.

That is the same tactic that you were using to "prove" that the police were out of control. And you are an attorney so it must be right!

I am telling that I suspect it and I think that the stats should be looked at in a public forum.

Kate can you ask your paralegal if this stuff is on the web somewhere?  
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

What's the matter? (none / 0) (#13)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:36:55 AM EST

Prove it.

Just throwing distractions out there.

Prove what you said.   The DA fails to prosecute.

Let's see your stats.

[ Parent ]

Kate (none / 0) (#15)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:41:51 AM EST
I suppose I could be an ass and give you the same proof that you gave me.  

None.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

head line (none / 0) (#16)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:48:36 AM EST
Tuesday, February 14, 2006   Page: B6

ALBANY - Following 18 hours of deliberations over two days, an Albany County jury cleared a 20-year-old man of attempted murder and robbery charges late Friday, the latest of several acquittals in trials prosecuted by District Attorney David Soares' office

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[ Parent ]

your accusation (none / 0) (#18)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:53:17 AM EST

is "failure to prosecute".

Forgot already?

[ Parent ]

I figured Kate (none / 0) (#19)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:53:36 AM EST
That if one case of theoretical abuse involving Lyman was enough for you to think that Lyman deserves 5,000,000 of tax payer money this story from the Times Union would be good enough proof for you.

So there it is in black and white:

Several acqittals and attempted murders walking around free to attack and rob.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

Alfie, c'mon now.... (none / 0) (#25)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:23:44 AM EST
where's the proof?

C'mon, get your stats.  They exist.  You made the accusation.

Can't prove it?


[ Parent ]

that's right, you're an ass (none / 0) (#17)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:50:11 AM EST

I have proof.  Gave even more of it to the DA this morning.  Can't move the physical paint, but he'll go look.  (You can too.)

Where's yours?

Can't do it?

[ Parent ]

Your hurting my feelings (none / 0) (#21)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 08:05:20 AM EST
Oh  oh chess paines not associated with Taco Bell's bad food.  Look out Martha comes the big one!

Kate you are naturally superior, thats why you are an attorney. I thought I would honor you by using your own tactics.  Plagerism is the most sincere form of flattery (and I stole that line).

I am soooo glad that you met with the DA today. Especially as you say you are not representing anyone.  Nice to know he made it back from Canada.

Interesting thing about Canadian laws.  No privacy. No court ordered wire taps needed.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

When you were meeting with the DA (none / 0) (#23)
by alfrednewman on Thu May 04, 2006 at 08:08:37 AM EST
Did a tear come to his eye?  Did he warn you about people like me?  

sniff sniff
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
[ Parent ]

DA (none / 0) (#14)
by Voiceof Reason on Thu May 04, 2006 at 07:37:34 AM EST
DIA, Can The DA do any wrong?  Let's face it.  Soares could do or say anything and you would back it up.  What has he accomplished in tenure as DA?  Reading the TU today summed up the focus of his time in office.  At the end of the article the DA's spokesperson stated that media outlets as far a way as London have called asking for an interview.  

Just like when he went on a National morning TV show during the CBA teacher scandal for a crime that ended with a 6 month sentence.  Hardly a crime the "whole world will be watching".  Judge Herrick was the only person involved in that case that saw through the TV headlines and made a good decision. But the DA received some good airtime for that case.

He also did a great job with the domestic case from Loudonville at the beginning of the year.  You remember, the case which he failed to indict after 45 days and the suspect was released from jail.  The DA's stance on that one was that the case was not ready to go before a Grand Jury.  What was the assigned ada doing in that 45 days?  The DA claims to be hard on domestic violence as well but only when he is grabbing headlines for opening a domestic violence court in Albany.  This does not help the victim in the Loudonville case but sure does improve his airtime on the local news.  Everybody around the criminal justice system agrees getting an indictment is very easy.

What about the cop who crashed his car in Guilderland and was charged with DWI among other things.  He was allowed to plea to lesser charges because the DA's office missed a court deadline.  I'm surprised at this one though, he could have gotten at least a mention on the news if his office had done its job properly.

There are several more instances where the DA is more interested in headlines than in justice.

The Public Integrity Unit is another headline grabber that doesn't fool me.  First of all having D'Lessandro in that unit is a joke.  He was fired from  his previous job for lying.  I know you are going to say he was fired for being a whistle blower but the bottom line is that he was fired for many reasons the most prominent being, he made an inflamitory poster about an other high ranking member of the department and when caught he lied and tried to but the blame on an officer he attempted to use to distribute the filer around the station house.  Just the person I want heading the an investigation in an integrity unit.

When people are to elected office they all hire people loyal to them to jobs within the agency or department.  I don't have a problem with this because it is unavoidable but please use better judgment when placing these people in jobs.

Still on the D'Alessndro issue is the recent development about the county's residency requirement.  The best argument you could give was that it would be nice if city Albany employees live in the city.  You are right it would be nice, but the city does not have a requirement the county does.  I am pretty sure the DA knew about the requirement when D'Lessandro was hired.  Any political activity to side step the the requirement should be questioned. I'm sure he could find decent housing somewhere in the county on his $80,000 a year salary.

Also about the change in title.  I think that it doesn't matter what his title is if he is doing the same job so why would the legislature change his title.  This can not be confirmed at this time and I'm hesitant to to perpetuate a rumor but rumor around the County Court House is that the change in title was due to D'Lessandro failing the required Civil Service test for his original position.  Like I said I was unable to confirm that rumor at this time and if anybody has information on that rumor I would like to hear about it.

I know that I just wasted my time writing this entry because you will back the DA no matter what he does.  You always qualify your endorsement with something else you don't agree with.  Like the reference to terrible State Senate and Assembly.  Of course they are dysfunctional, that's not the point.  If the DA really wants to make a change in state laws that's the place he needs to be not the DA's office where apparently he has no business being either.

Any way, I could go on but I won't.  I just trying to make point.

 

you forgot (none / 0) (#20)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 08:00:12 AM EST
about the porco murder.  soares critics like to blame him for that too.   Not that he did it, just that he hasn't solved it yet.

Isn't it nice that people like you and Newman have an outlet to vent your points on a website where a couple hundred people will read them today?  So even when i'm not critical of the DA for something i think he is doing right, you can vent your list of everything you think he has done wrong, and not have to back it up with facts.   Just a thought.

I'll be critical of Soares when I think he's screwed something up.    I just don't think there is anything wrong with him talking at this conference or saying what he has said.   I do think that Tuffey and Jennings response is childish and does nothing to help improve albany.   Intelligent people discuss ways to improve the "war on drugs" and our city.  

I thought the whole drunk blonde fucking christian school boy things was a joke.  I thought the DA going on GMA was silly.  However, I have no problem with the DA speaking at an international conference on how to reduce the harm drugs do to our society.   Its sort of a refreshing change to have someone who can represent our community well and speak about improving our city and country....on the heels of the photos of the drunk congressman and thinking of how many times Mayor Jennings has been asked to speak to other cities about his "renaissance" (zero).  

I also think his hiring of Jack McEneny's daughter to be a spokesperson was a bad choice.  Have to be more qualified people for the job.  

 

[ Parent ]

also (none / 0) (#22)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 08:05:39 AM EST
the drunk cop in guilderland.  I'll quote myself on that one.   You probably didn't read the site back then.

"For those that need it spelled out. I think the DA's office screwed up here. I'm being critical of them."

[ Parent ]

loudonville case (none / 0) (#24)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 08:09:54 AM EST
as far as the loudonville case

A Loudonville man accused of beating his wife and threatening to kill her in November faces two years behind bars after taking a plea deal on Tuesday.


[ Parent ]
domestic case (none / 0) (#27)
by Voiceof Reason on Thu May 04, 2006 at 10:28:50 AM EST
Seems like a pretty easy case if the defendant pleaded guilty.  So what happened 5 months ago.  That's the problem I have.  The point I was trying to make was that if the DA spent more time taking care of his office and less time trying to get on the 6 o'clock news, maybe some of these cases would have been handled better.

As for the Porco case, I agree with how both Clyne and Soares have handled the case.  Soares has let the two brightest guys in his office, Mike Mcdermott and Dave Rossi handle the case.  Besides a few sound bytes on TV and in the paper, Soares has let the experienced lawyers do their thing.  I think we can all agree that Soares's best talents are not in the court room.  He just doesn't have the experience. So I commend him on his approach with that case.

[ Parent ]

a ha (none / 0) (#28)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 11:33:52 AM EST
You agree that soares might be able to do some things right after all!   Just like i agree that he has made some blunders.  I've also pointed out in the past that taking over a large office like he did under hostile circumstances shouldn't be something that we all expect to go smoothly.  There has been more than one time that i've opened up the paper and read a comment by Soares and thought, "ow...rookie move".   Change is rarely smooth.  

I thought appearing on GMA was one of those times.  However, he is an elected official.  Who probably plans to get re-elected.   He has to do some things for political reasons.  (If we held Jennings accountable for every staged public appearance...well at least we'd be holding him accountable for something...but it would be silly...that is part of being the mayor)   Politicians have to be politicians at times.   I honestly don't think he does it that much.   Maybe he does it more than Clyne did, but then again clyne wasn't worried about getting re-elected (oops).  

I'm more than happy to criticize what i see as a mistake.   Giving this talk is a positive in my book.   Jennings and Tuffey's responses were childish and negative and do nothing to help.   We need to address the issue of the drug laws in this country.  Soares continues to do this.  You would prefer the legislature do it.   Me too.  But they won't unless forced too.   When the system doesn't work, sometimes you have to approach the problem from a different angle.  

I want the police to enforce the law.  I want the DA to enforce the law.   I want them all to succeed.   I just live in Albany.  I'm not on a payroll that would influence my opinion in these matters.   I want a safer, better run city.  I  agree with what Soares says.   I don't agree with Chief Tuffey not releasing crime stats for the city.  I don't agree with Jennings saying he doesn't think there are problems with gangs in albany.  I agree with Tuffey putting more officers out walking the beat.   Soares is trying help make things better.   Jennings is trying to protect his political power.   I know which one is going to make it safer to live in Albany (especially the areas where I live, not up in the burbs where jerry lives and golfs).

You might think i have some reason I won't criticize the DA.  You're wrong. I think he's working to make my city better for everyone.   If I thought Jennings was doing the same this blog wouldn't exist.  

[ Parent ]

one other thing (none / 0) (#30)
by DIA on Thu May 04, 2006 at 11:58:32 AM EST
adminstrations make mistakes.   I'd prefer they don't, but they do.   No organization is perfect.  Many of Soares critics are jumping on any little mistake his organization makes(michele morgan bolton being one good example).   That is fine, since they don't like the DA.   I think there is some leeway for some organizational mistakes.   However, if they become recurrent and are not addressed (the APD) or they are major and come 12 years into an administration, I think that is a different matter.   A case in point.  mayor jennings has told us if we don't expand the dump into the pinebush it will be a financial crisis for the city and we will have to lay off 1/3 of the workers and "no one will want to be mayor of this city".  So, we've come to this point because Jennings has been unable to find a suitable alternative in 12 years in office.   And now, 12 years after finding a new site in Coeymans, we are told that they never applied for any permits and just found out that a third of the site is protected wetlands.   These are the types of mistakes that scream incompetance to me.  I don't mind the little ones.  Its the ongoing combination of arrogance and incompetance that bother me.  If I had all day I could write up a big list of jennings and the APD's serious mistakes but its been done before and I'm sure if you spend some time on this site or read some metroland articles you can find it.

the goal is fair and competent management of the city.   We've got a long way to go.

[ Parent ]

Soares (none / 0) (#29)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 11:40:28 AM EST
reminds me of Sol Greenberg a bit in his role as DA.

David Soares is the face of the office and the visionary.   That's where his talents are, and they are immense.

His chief assistant is a very experienced trial attorney, Mike McDermott, which again is similar to Sol and his assistant Dan Dwyer.

Paul Clyne is a good prosecutor and trial lawyer, but not a visionary, which is why he lost.

[ Parent ]

I started to read through (none / 0) (#26)
by Andrew C White on Thu May 04, 2006 at 09:50:41 AM EST
this thread but stopped and did little more than glance at the rest of it.

The main point here is that the current approach to the drug problem in America is not working and it is time to try a new solution. Soares was elected based partly on an overwhelming call from the people of Albany for that new direction. The other part of his victory was an overwhelming smackdown of the Jennings administration.

Now... that finishes Soares as part of this discussion.

The real discussion ought to be about how to solve the drug problem in America. I read some comments that think a "more of the same" approach is what should be followed. I didn't see any logic or reasoning supporting how that might be more effective then it's currently disasterous effects.

Drug (and alcohol) abuse comes in 3 basic forms.

One is addiction. Some people's bodies don't process alcohol like most folks do and some drugs are addictive no matter what. This is a medical problem. It requires medical treatment not jailtime.

One is immaturity and a culture that makes this particular form of stupidity look glamorous and "cool."  This requires and educational approach as well as a cultural one. It too is not a judicial issue... except perhaps for the alcohol industry executives who at times promote their product irresponsibly and for the government officials who use the drug problem as a political tool rather than trying to craft a real solution.

Lastly, it is one of despair and inequality. Huge segments of our population are left susceptible to the allure of drugs and alcohol as a way out of their misery by a society that ignores their needs and does next to nothing to provide them with an opportunity to build good lives for themselves. This leads also to the allure of many street level dealers and gangs. When your choice is at best a minimum wage job flipping burgers with no hope of future advancement and more likely no job at all or lots of money and the highlife selling drugs many people make the wrong choice. Class divides america more than race. My biggest problem with the current batch of Republican leadership (beyond their rampant corruption and incompetence) is their complete lack of understanding or desire to solve the disparities that are eating away at our society in so many ways... all of which are leading factors in the drug problem.

Locking people up is not a solution. It is a small bandaid on a gapping wound.

There is one other variety of drug abuser in America that we do nothing for and end up abusing even further as a society and that is the mentally ill. Statistics show clearly that many mentally ill turn to drugs for a solution. If you think about it it kinda makes some sense. If your reality doesn't make sense then take drugs to change your reality.

We just lock these folks up and throw away the key too.

America has more people locked up then South Africa during apartheid, more than the USSR during it's gulag days, more than China during it's worst repressions. There is something wrong here.

Take a look at the numbers and you see that the vast majority of these folks have underlying alcohol and drug problems with many having mental illnesses as well. Do we look for solutions to the underlying problems? No. We simply lock them up and then build more prisons when the old ones get full.

That is not a solution.

I have no sympathy for pushers and the cartels and even less for the so-called "law and order" crowd that does it's best, some through ignorance, others through bigotry and hatred, and others through political manipulation, to stop us as a society from finding real solutions for these very real problems. It is the same mindset that has us battling terrorists that like to blow shit up and kill people by blowing more shit up and killing more people ourselves. There will always be wackos but the solution to rampant terrorism is to solve the problems of economic and educational disparity. Starve the wackos by removing the oxygen from the problems that have people looking to them for possible solutions to their problems.

let's put the bullshit aside and start looking honestly at real solutions for the very real problems we face as a society, a nation, and a world.
Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.

good points (none / 0) (#31)
by kateb on Thu May 04, 2006 at 12:27:06 PM EST
As you admitted to reading halfway down the thread, I'll fess up and acknowledge I read half of yours, but I think I got it.

I'm looking forward to a day when our alternatives are our mainstream.  Drug court.  Restorative justice.  Good conversations with the investigator or the DA, re one defendant, and the many people on the outside who depend on her or him, and the many mitigating factors, a real person here....

Our criminal system on the books is highly punitive.   It's the American way.  Except we've got exceptions, alternatives, case by case when there's time or attention.  Which is also the American way.  This particular person is special. Let me tell you how.....

I'd like to see us turn it around, and save the punitive for the necessary exceptions.

We've got the pieces to a good solution, but not the priorities.

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