Questions


By DIA, Section News
Posted on Mon May 01, 2006 at 04:50:40 AM EST

Why is it ok for the president of the police union to threaten the only newspaper in town and there doesn't appear to be any uproar from anyone? Do you know why its a problem? Here's my idea why that is a problem. Let's look at the situation. A police officer crashed his car while on duty. He had a BAC of 0.03 when this happened. He had been on duty for 3 hours and still had a BAC of 0.03. That means he reported to work with a BAC of at least 0.09. And if he quit drinking at 8PM like everyone claims that means he had a BAC of around 0.19 when he quit. Or...he didn't spend the hours BEFORE reporting to work drinking at a bar but while on duty he had at least 2 drinks. NONE of the possible options are good options. And the Times Union has printed FACTS. No one is disputing them. They just don't like them. And the police are once again covering up for exceptionally reckless behavior that is an ongoing problem in the department.

Remember the last cop to crash his car while drunk? Remember when the president of the police union said that he shouldn't lose his license despite refusing a breathalyzer because he wasn't read his miranda rights...by police officers. And then the story was that he was dizzy from chewing tobacco which caused him to crash. And remember when the officers involved thankfully stood their ground and the president of the union had to back down?

Or do you remember when a police officer was so drunk he crashed his car into a residential building, with people inside, and burned it down with all of their possession going up in the fire...and Mayor Jennings said that the media should leave him alone because he was "a good kid". Well, that good kid made a really bad mistake. As did Officer Wilcox. Good people make bad decisions. Really good people don't cover up the truth just because it isn't a pretty picture. But the Mayor and the powers that be in this town apparently want to cover up once again for an officer who was drinking and driving. And now the Times Union appears to be going along with the plan. Today they are running a storyabout the NAACP demanding an apology because of their accurate reporting (not sure how this is "advancing" anything). Am I the only one who sees this as outrageous. You know why i'm outraged? Because the next fucking apology is going to be like the one when the cops shot an innocent kid on the corner of lark and state. Its going to be the Mayor and the police chief apologizing that an innocent person was killed due to a drunk driver, who just happened to also be an officer in the APD. Its only a matter of time. Because in this town, with this adminstration, drunk driving is something to be "left alone", because a BAC of 0.03 while on the job means you aren't "legally intoxicated" so what is the big deal? Because this repeated pattern is bringing only one repeated response. Cover it up. If the Times Union's initial reporting wasn't true, why is it that we haven't heard reports from the bartender disproving it? Anyone else wonder why we haven't heard from the bartender? Or any of the other people in the bar? Or were they also threatened by the police chief union president? The bar owner gave $2,500 to Mayor Jennings re-election campaign last year...don't expect to hear anything from him.

Do you remember where the officer who crashed his car into the building and burned it down was coming from? You know, the party where he got blind fucking drunk and then was allowed to get in his car and drive away? A retirement party for his dad, who was a long time albany police officer.

Let's play a game. Pretend you were really drunk and crashed your car into a building and burned it down. And let's pretend you were 17 years old and that was your dad's car that you crashed. Then, let's think about what your dad, a responsible adult, would do in this situation? Would he leave you alone and call you a good kid? Or would, perhaps, there be some sort of response to address the situation. Its interesting how whenever i play this game, the answers that I get from the local powers that be are very different from the theoretical "responsible adult" response.

But back to the game that is really being played. Let's not address this issue. Let's pretend it never happened. Shame on the TU for reporting the truth. Heads back in the sand everyone. Aren't the tulips lovely?

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Tulips (none / 0) (#1)
by alfrednewman on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:12:05 AM EST
I can say that my tulips are very nice.  I am very surprised that they look as good as they do.  Those bushy tailed rats usually eat them but not this year.  

Its sad, but the lovely tulip fades.

DIA- this story is going to stir up a lot of people because Wilcox was seen as a good detective and, in the minority community, a good cop.

The bartender and bar owner will not come forward and they should not because that will leave them open to civil action.  You cant serve someone who is drunk and if the BAC was .19, as you suggested, he should have been cut off.

Regardless of what occured today is a sad day for Albany.
"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"

this story (none / 0) (#3)
by DIA on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:18:22 AM EST
isn't about wilcox.   as i said, good people occasionally make bad decisions.   This story is about the power structure of albany and ongoing cover ups and lack of accountability.   No one is saying Wilcox wasn't a great cop, father, person.   This was a huge loss for many.  However, if the local media can be stopped from investigating unpleasant truths, than this will happen again.  

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I hear you..... (none / 0) (#2)
by kateb on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:15:27 AM EST
and agree with what you wrote.

Just one thing about the .03.....

As you know, Chief Tuffey is not on my list of people with integrity.

But I could have sworn I heard him at a press conference say that having a .03 after death raises the question of what condition he was in when he reported for duty hours earlier, and what kind of supervision he received when he reported.

I think that got missed by simplistic media coverage.

i had not heard that (none / 0) (#4)
by DIA on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:19:35 AM EST
but that is encouraging.   I did hear he said they may change their police regarding drinking and driving.  

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encouraging (none / 0) (#5)
by kateb on Mon May 01, 2006 at 06:34:31 AM EST

Let's see what comes of it, what makes the media report, and all that.  Another day we can change a policy or finally follow old ones.

A good, decent and generous man died much too early and that's the main story.


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Hmmm... Tuffey... (none / 0) (#12)
by Andrew C White on Mon May 01, 2006 at 09:12:20 AM EST
... there are unconfirmed stories about Tuffey issuing a get out of jail free card to cover up the drinking escapades of certain other drinkers in the news recently. Wasn't he Chief of Police in Cohoes in '98? I don't know that the story is true but I trust the source.
Full Disclosure: I am Chair of the Darius Shahinfar for Congress Campaign Committee in NY-21.
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MANY Questions (none / 0) (#6)
by nitevision on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:03:34 AM EST
None of us actually know what happened in the Wilcox accident.  What is obvious is the TU's Brendan Lyons personal vendetta against Wilcox.

Before an investigation could begin, Lyons sought to portray Wilcox as a "gangsta."  His sordid details of cognac and a fully accessorized Escalade were way over the top.  Lyons revealed his dislike of Wilcox to the world.  He didn't actually say "drunk" or "impaired", he just inferred it.  Once again we see a reporter trying to create news rather than reporting it.

I doubt if there will be a coverup because both the Albany police and the State Police are jointly investigating the incident.  Questions about consuming alcohol are legitimate, but why rush to judgment? Allow the investigation to move forward and give the family a chance to grieve.

K-Wil was a flashy guy.  I don't know if he made a mistake or not.  To quickly tarnish his memory even before a funeral can be held is pretty low.  Brendan Lyons should be reassigned to the National Inquirer.  He has no creditability as an unbiased reporter.

nitevision (none / 0) (#7)
by DIA on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:13:20 AM EST
I don't know lyons or wilcox.  Perhaps it was a personal vendetta.  But it also was the truth.  Are reporters supposed to wait until it is convenient to report the truth?  

There is no way that a police officer can be on duty with a BAC of anything other than 0.00 without having made a mistake.  My concern is that almost everyone appears to be saying that being on the job with any alcohol in your blood is fine as long as you aren't legally intoxicated.  That is a very dangerous approach, especially, as i've noted, with the recent past history in Albany.

There is no way the police should be threatening the media.  That is dangerous for our community.

This is an ugly and sad situation however you look at it.  But to choose not to look at it is another mistake.  

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DIA - I agree (none / 0) (#9)
by nitevision on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:39:01 AM EST
I can agree - but you missed my point.  Printing that K-Wil was seen in an Albany bar hours before he died is legitimate.

Did Brendan Lyons have to print the name and cost of the cognac?  Buying bar employees and other patrons drinks? Did Lyons have to print a "fully accessorized Cadillac Escalade"?  We don't know who paid for the booze.  Lyons was attempting to portray Wilcox as an out of control cop on the take.  His reporting was nothing short of a personal vendetta.

A review of Lyons' stories show a clear bent to report only negative stuff about the cops.  Not all cops are bad or insensitive.  We call them to clean up the mess that we don't want to handle.  Most of the time they do a good job and deserve credit for it.

Tuffey promised a full investigation.  He already admitted to no seat belt and high speed.  I'm willing to wait before I make a judgement.  I will also scream if there is an attempt to cover it up.

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cover up (none / 0) (#11)
by DIA on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:56:34 AM EST
At this point what can they really cover up?   They have admitted he had alcohol in his system.   My point is not that they will try to cover up this story.   My point is that they threatened the media for reporting the facts.   The mayor has told the media to lay off in a similiar past story.  the police union president appeared to have lied to try to cover up the other recent incident.   This pattern is the problem.  This current incident is just another example of the bigger problem.  

However, with the past history, the current threats, the last police chief lying to cover up an investigation...i can't say I'm expecting to hear much more about any of this, regardless of what the truth is.   I accept that.  What i don't accept is all the drunk driving and looking the other way.   But, apparently i'm in the minority on this one.

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Picture Worth 1,000 Words??? (none / 0) (#13)
by nitevision on Mon May 01, 2006 at 09:45:28 AM EST
DIA, I apologize for apparently not making my point clear.  You and I are in complete agreement.  Cops, like airline pilots should not be drinking alcohol on the job or immediately before going to work.

My criticism is directed solely at Brendan Lyons' original report.  It was an obvious last ditch attempt to tarnish Wilcox.  Editor Rex Smith can try to defend the TU.  It's all carefully worded to create a negative picture before the facts are gathered.

I paid my respects at the Palace this morning.  Returning to work I passed 3 Albany cops in full uniform drinking from Budweiser cups, outside McGeary's.  I thought that was a terrible image.  I stopped and spoke with them.  Do you know what was in the cups?  Two had ice water and the third was diet soda. Would it be responsible for the TU to publish a photo of this, even without a caption?  That could trigger another investigation.  Like Brendan Lyons story, it wouldn't be responsible journalism but it would be sensationalism.  McGearys was offering coffee and only soft drinks to those attending the viewing.  Things are not always as they seem to be.  I'd prefer to withhold judgement.

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A repost of my note to DIA (none / 0) (#8)
by Mumms du Right on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:37:35 AM EST
Dear DIA:

Forgive my recent lack of communication.  That said.  Did you read today's Times Union and the article about our detective?  I'm sure I can count on you to illuminate the heart of such a scam article by the very people who created the spectacle that they're now trying to reverse.  

What a shame it is we don't have another newspaper in this town.   Today's reporting was nothing but a poorly executed retraction, and it has Mumms undone.  It really is too bad that being a black man in Albany is such a novelty at this point.  As opposed to questioning how his daughter went to a private school, or how he managed to drive a very expensive car, or that he was a business partner with a crook, the Times Union might have spent more time trying to fulfill its journalistic obligation rather than responding to last week's criticisms by providing us with a rather syrupy investigation into one-sided sentiment. They (clearly after the Mayor and rank and file police threatened to undo Mr. Lyonsthe ) { the Times Union} powers that be decided to serve up to us, the taxpaying public, this nonsense. They did not tell us how he afforded the tuition, the cars, the real estate, and of course the $900.00 for the bottle of cognac.  Rick Smith should spend less time on the "Media Project" and more time trying to instill in his employees a sense of duty related to journalistic ethics. Am I correct in this observation? An attractive (addicted no less) woman has sex with a legally consenting young man and she fodder for the Times Union yet an officer who dies in a rather fishy way (as reported before Jerry's wrath) get a rather gushy send off.

Well, I guess if the "glove does not fit one must acquit" logic holds true this far east.

As always I remain,

Mumms

Private thoughts (none / 0) (#10)
by alfrednewman on Mon May 01, 2006 at 07:53:07 AM EST
While I do believe it is a sad day for Albany and I have heard only but very good things about det Wilcox the Times Union reporting left me wondering as well.

Everyone knows who Dare is. I thought he left town, never to return.

"What? Me worry? " "whatmeworry.alfred@gmail.com"
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